Wi: Egyptian Sudan

after its independence from Britain, Sudan decides to joins Egypt

would Egypt be able to keep the black south

With the resources of Sudan , would Egypt have done better against Israel and done better economically

would Egypt be more influential in the Arab world and what would be the impact on Egyptian relations with rest of africa
 
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While I could see North Sudan being all for it (religiously Islamic and Arabic speaking), South Sudan (Christian and ruled by a multitude of cultural groups) would be very unhappy with the arrangement.

South Sudan (probably under the label of Sudan) would have a continuous insurgency going and has a really good chance of eventually winning independence like they did IRL.

Besides that, Egypt was a major power in the Middle East for a long time and still kind of is (I think the can't flex it as much due to the instability of the recent past... wow it's been 6 years since the Egyptian Revolution started). They are so powerful because of the prestige of being the location of one of the oldest civilizations ever, controlling the Suez Canal, having some really important cities, their military might, and their socio-political role against Israel throughout the mid to late 1900s. Barring any different personalities introduced from (North) Sudan taking a prominent role in Egyptian government, I can't see how adding Sudan would make much of that go differently.
 
South Sudan (probably under the label of Sudan) would have a continuous insurgency going and has a really good chance of eventually winning independence like they did IRL.
given Egypt has 82 million people and is overpopulated and south Sudan has 11 million couldn't they resettle large amounts of Arabs to the south forming a majority or a large Minority giving them better control of the south
 
I think its more realistic that upon independence, North Sudan splits from South Sudan and joins Egypt, whilst the latter becomes an independent republic under the name 'Sudan'.
 
I think its more realistic that upon independence, North Sudan splits from South Sudan and joins Egypt, whilst the latter becomes an independent republic under the name 'Sudan'.
given the north oppressed and fought the south for decades in otl, why would they just let them go
 
given Egypt has 82 million people and is overpopulated and south Sudan has 11 million couldn't they resettle large amounts of Arabs to the south forming a majority or a large Minority giving them better control of the south

Overpopulation is a myth. In an interconnected world like the one that's existed since for over a century, you can get any number of people you have the resources you need through smart central planning (irrigation systems for previously unusable land, importing whatever food you can't grow, etc.). Egypt isn't really overpopulated, it's just densely packed along the Nile.

As for settling the land, it'd require the forcible removal of millions from their homes and brought to what was up until recently a foreign country with hostile locals. It'd be incredibly expensive, difficult, and just anger those who have previously been your supporters. They could go for an Israeli-style occupation that allows Arab people to come settle the land, but that would take a long time to even make a dent, plus South Sudan's a much larger area and Egypt's military is not nearly as well equipped (and is also smaller than Israel's around this time).

given the north oppressed and fought the south for decades in otl, why would they just let them go

I find Cregan's idea unlikely but not impossible. What would probably happen is that South Sudan would revolt and fight a long civil war before finally obtaining independence from Egypt (but a lot earlier than from Sudan IOTL). I would imagine that if Sudan joined Egypt in the late '50s, they would get their independence by the '80s or '90s, with the initial insurrections starting at some point in the '60s.
 
As for settling the land, it'd require the forcible removal of millions from their homes and brought to what was up until recently a foreign country with hostile locals. It'd be incredibly expensive, difficult, and just anger those who have previously been your supporters. They could go for an Israeli-style occupation that allows Arab people to come settle the land, but that would take a long time to even make a dent, plus South Sudan's a much larger area and Egypt's military is not nearly as well equipped (and is also smaller than Israel's around this time).

Could you get an arab majority in some of the oil producing areas near the border
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Could you get an arab majority in some of the oil producing areas near the border

I hope not. That'd be the result of a multitude of insane atrocities and genocidal acts that would either spark UN intervention or go down in history as something along the lines of the Rwandan Genocide, permanently leaving a stain on Egypt's global reputation and causing untold damage to a region that is known for being in a poor state today.
 
I hope not. That'd be the result of a multitude of insane atrocities and genocidal acts that would either spark UN intervention or go down in history as something along the lines of the Rwandan Genocide, permanently leaving a stain on Egypt's global reputation and causing untold damage to a region that is known for being in a poor state today.

It isn't like you couldn't find locals willing to do it, Hutu vs Tutsi style. Except in this case, it's more of a Nuer vs. Dinka thing. Considering the current South Sudan conflict, creating a situation where you could get/assist one of the groups to mass murder the other seems plausible. I guess since the Dinka are the majority near the main oil areas, you would ally with the Nuer to butcher, slaughter, and drive out their enemies.

You do need to get the situation so you don't have both the Dinka and Nuer more or less allied against you as an enemy of my enemy sort of thing. Also, man-made famines (like the current one in South Sudan is to some degree or another) help in driving down the population numbers.

Your settlers would probably be Sudanese Arabs from the north.

Also, forced migration in the oil fields already happened OTL.

But let's be honest, you're probably gonna get a major secession movement in the South. See the Jonglei Canal project, for instance, which Egypt in this case would definitely try and do. Some suggest that it would utterly wreck the ecosystem of the Sudd which in turn wrecks the livelihoods of millions of South Sudanese. If Egypt TTL can go ahead with it, then they're setting themselves up for one hell of a conflict. And that's just one example of how Egypt might spark a major secession war in South Sudan.
 
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