WI: Edward VI dies in 1553, but Henry FitzRoy had survived?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by mandead, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    He's got the Howards behind him because of Mary and their children. He doesn't need them. Although, maybe, if Henry knows the Dudleys want links to the throne, maybe he'll offer them Elizabeth for Guilford instead of his marrying Jane Grey so that they won't support the Greys over him... Elizabeth/Guilford could be an interesting match, especially given her OTL relationship with Robert...
     
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  2. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    Oh now that would be fascinating, perhaps Robert giving his brother horns aha
     
  3. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    Well, actually... If you are going to cuckold your husband with anyone, his brother isn't the worst choice. At least it would probably make it easier to pass any children off as your husband's if you needed to... not that I am condoning such actions, of course!!
     
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  4. VVD0D95 Lemmy is God.

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    Aha very true
     
  5. isabella Well-Known Member

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    The Greys would still have an inferior claim to his... but I guess who with Hal and his children to secure the succession Edward and his council will marry Elizabeth to the heir of a Protestant ruler for getting a good alliance (or maybe she will be married to Edward Seymour’s eldest son by Anne or to Robert Dudley as butterflies here can very well prevent his wedding to Amy).
     
  6. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    I think Mary can be removed by marrying her to Philip of Neuberg.
     
  7. isabella Well-Known Member

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    No. Mary will never be married. Consenting her to marry would be too dangerous (for Edward’s council of regency) AND with a surviving FitzRoy is likely who Henry VIII would never take in consideration the idea.
     
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  8. jb3 Well-Known Member

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    While I don't think Henry would do this (Fitzroy by his very name was illegitimate from the get-go and not in retrospect by Henrican fiat) since it is unlikely Fitzroy would be acknowledged by the rest of Europe, even many Protestant powers (and certainly not Charles V or the French). Whatever was in Henry VIII's head about his daughter Mary's legitimacy, almost no one in Europe (or even a large part of the English population) agreed with him and she was regarded on the Continent as a princess (and cousin of the Emperor, and as Catherine of Aragon's daughter, possibly a Spanish princess in her own right if Charles V desired it - could Bessie Blount's son say the same?). BUT if he was put in the line of succession by Henry himself, Mary might comply (might, I say) - as long as Fitzroy doesn't make a move on her. Remember Northumberland sent troops to seize Mary (and Elizabeth), probably to kill them (could Northumberland have let either live?) and was just prevented from doing so by Mary getting a heads-up from a loyal courtier that her brother had died before "Queen Jane's" army could get her. If Fitzroy just lets her alone, and is even more complacent about her being able to practice here religion as she liked (which Edward was not) she might be OK with that.
     
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  9. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    Neuberg is harmless marriage for Mary as he is protestant and Mary would renounce her claims to England as she has no business England and cannot mount her claims.
     
  10. Mike Louis The Last Boss

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    As I said in my previous posts, the question will be does Henry VIII insert Richmond into the succession ahead of Mary and Elizabeth and expose England to potential civil war and or foreign invasion (Spain / HRE will back Mary while France / Scotland will back the Stewarts) upon Edward VI’s death or he takes sensible precautions and places Richmond after Mary and Elizabeth (causes the least amount of succession shenanigans as no major faction won’t be offended)?
     
  11. isabella Well-Known Member

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    The Stewarts will not have any claim ahead of Mary and FitzRoy’s succession would be acceptable for Spain as they had too much trouble elsewhere for fighting a war for Mary (who would likely destroying her internal support already reduced in confront to her OTL one)
     
  12. Anarch King of Dipsodes Overlord of All Thirst

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    And he's not seen as the puppet of a widely disliked politician.