WI Edward Tudor lives?

Edward Tudor was the son of Henry VII and Eizabeth of York, supposedly born at the beginning of the Marriage (1487 or 1488) or at the end (1498 - 1501). Lets say for the sake of discussion he was born in 1488. I also want to keep butterflies to a minimum at least until Arthur dies. So we will have an Edward VI 38 years earlier if his father still dies on schedule. So would he marry his brothers widow Catherine of Aragon like OTL Henry VIII or would he marry someone else and who would it be if he did? How would his reign look like? Please discuss!
 
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From what I know of him he was a zealous Protestant who hated Catholics. So more Catholics burned, in the long term maybe a more anti-Catholic culture in England. He will almost certainly both marry and have children so that butterflies the Stuarts gaining the throne of England. Which in tern impacts on the English Civil war.
 
From what I know of him he was a zealous Protestant who hated Catholics. So more Catholics burned, in the long term maybe a more anti-Catholic culture in England. He will almost certainly both marry and have children so that butterflies the Stuarts gaining the throne of England. Which in tern impacts on the English Civil war.

American Empire means the son of Henry VII not Henry VIII.
 
If U do mean the son of Henry VII, then U mean Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset. He was born in 1499 so even if he did survive, Henry VIII would still become King. I can't find anything suggesting that he was born at the beginning of the marriage.
 
Would a younger, surviving male Tudor sibling allieviate any of Henry VIIIs "issues" with getting a legitimate, male heir?

Does this male sibling get shunted off to a clerical life style? Sort of defeats the purpose of a male heir, doesn't it?

If born in 1499, he'd only be 9 or 10 when Henry VII dies, so his future hangs on what direction Henry VIII points him.
 
Would a younger, surviving male Tudor sibling allieviate any of Henry VIIIs "issues" with getting a legitimate, male heir?

Does this male sibling get shunted off to a clerical life style? Sort of defeats the purpose of a male heir, doesn't it?

If born in 1499, he'd only be 9 or 10 when Henry VII dies, so his future hangs on what direction Henry VIII points him.

Yes, I think it will allieviate some of Henry VIII issues.

No, he's partly responsible for continuing the Tudor Dynasty.

Henry VIII will see him as a spare heir if he has no sons of his own and remember durring this time England did not allow females to succeed, if their was a male heir.:(
 
Yes, I think it will allieviate some of Henry VIII issues.

No, he's partly responsible for continuing the Tudor Dynasty.

Henry VIII will see him as a spare heir if he has no sons of his own and remember durring this time England did not allow females to succeed, if their was a male heir.:(

Actually, if Henry VIII died after having Mary but before divorcing Catherine, and Edmund was still alive, I think Mary would still be the heiress. IDK, there was never a situation like that until the 20th century, when Elizabeth II succeeded her father.
 
No, I am pretty sure that the Privy Council will declare Edmund king, not his niece. Edmund would probably marry Mary off to his eldest son and heir.:eek:
 
No, I am pretty sure that the Privy Council will declare Edmund king, not his niece. Edmund would probably marry Mary off to his eldest son and heir.:eek:

Well it depends on a lot actually. When does Henry die? How much power and influence does Edmund have ? Is Edmund married and if so, does he have a son? How much power and influence does Catherine of Aragon have? You have to take all these factors in when dealing with England. After all, a civil war over the succession is not unheard of. Personally, I can definitely see Catherine going to war over her daughters rights.
 
Well it depends on a lot actually. When does Henry die? How much power and influence does Edmund have ? Is Edmund married and if so, does he have a son? How much power and influence does Catherine of Aragon have? You have to take all these factors in when dealing with England. After all, a civil war over the succession is not unheard of. Personally, I can definitely see Catherine going to war over her daughters rights.

With all of who supporting her?

Not sure why Mary would be married to Edmund's son - Eleanor of Brittany was imprisoned, not intended for marriage to one of John's sons.

To pick an example of an uncle succeeding before his nephew (or niece, after Arthur was . . . removed).
 
With all of who supporting her?

Not sure why Mary would be married to Edmund's son - Eleanor of Brittany was imprisoned, not intended for marriage to one of John's sons.

To pick an example of an uncle succeeding before his nephew (or niece, after Arthur was . . . removed).

Edmund would have learned about the Wars of the Roses and do not want any Mary's decendents to usurp the crown from his. Like how the House of York did to the House of Lancaster. Eleanor was old enough to be Henry III mother thats why and because the Medieval Pope was more strict about cousin marriages than the Renaissance Pope.
 
Edmund would have learned about the Wars of the Roses and do not want any Mary's decendents to usurp the crown from his. Like how the House of York did to the House of Lancaster. Eleanor was old enough to be Henry III mother thats why and because the Medieval Pope was more strict about cousin marriages than the Renaissance Pope.

All very good points. Not to mention Eleanor had no male relatives that would protect her. Sure Emperor Charles V didn't intervene in OTL but who's to say he wouldn't this time. If Edmund stays Catholic (and who's to say he will) then Charles could easily use the Pope to threaten him into submission.
 
Edmund would have learned about the Wars of the Roses and do not want any Mary's decendents to usurp the crown from his. Like how the House of York did to the House of Lancaster. Eleanor was old enough to be Henry III mother thats why and because the Medieval Pope was more strict about cousin marriages than the Renaissance Pope.

That's why you lock Mary up and eat the key.

And Eleanor being old enough to be Henry III's motehr . . .

I'll put it this way.

Eleanor of Brittany: b. 1184
Henry III: b. 1207

Vs.

Eleanor of Aquitaine: b. 1122 or 1124
Henry II: b. 1133

vs.

Constance of Sicily b. 1154 (married at forty)
Henry VI (Holy Roman Emperor): b. 1165

Constance of Aragon: b. 1179 (married at thirty)
Frederick II: b. 1194


There are probably other examples, but the point is that it's not out of the question.

As for the medieval pope's strictness about cousin marriages:

Edward of Woodstock and Joan of Kent (first cousins once removed).

Several marriages in the early 1400s - Velasco (?) has brought them up in previous discussions.
 
There was more cousin marriages in the Renaissance than the entire Middles Ages put together!:rolleyes: Why didn't Philippa of Clarence marry Henry IV then? If that happened the entire Wars of the Roses would never of have occured! For example if Richard II was born female, Edward III would have married her off to Henry IV.
 
Not least Henry's own marriage to his cousin and former sister-in-law Catherine, and the marriages of her two sisters to their another cousin, King Manuel (who married a niece of his first two wives as his third wife). As well as the marriages of Henry Tudor and Elizabeth of York, also cousins, and Ferdinand and Isabella, also cousins (actually all four were cousins). Not forgetting Eleanor of Aquitaine was Henry II's cousin and the former lover of his father, or that their children Joanna and John also married cousins.

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At the time of Philippa of Clarence's marriage no one was looking to her to inherit the throne. The Black Prince had just married his close cousin, the notably fertile Joan of Kent and begun his family (having already fathered a number of bastards). Philippa's own father was still a young man, travelling to Italy to fetch a new bride certain to give him some more heirs. Certainly no one could have foreseen a Lancastrian usurpation at that point.

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The existence of a prince Edmund/Edward is an interesting PoD. I don't see him marrying one of his brother's subjects, nor do I see him making a grand foreign alliance - at the time of his marriage it would no doubt be expected that his dashing elder brother would father plenty of heirs from the dowager princess of Wales.

I would venture an initial betrothal with Claude of France, instigated by Queen Anne and perhaps with a view of securing Brittany's continued independence; a betrothal no doubt dissolved and replaced once it became apparent Anne would have no living son. Henry VIII might seek a pro-Hapsburg match for his younger brother, for example a Portuguese infanta; once he became disillusioned with Ferdinand and Charles, a switch to Marguerite d'Angoulême (sister of the future King of France) might also make sense. If he was still unmarried by the mid-1520s, I can see Henry marrying him to Mary and securing the succession that way.
 
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