WI: Earliest possible Country with Communist revolution before Russia

/discuss, this was something I was wondering about. What's the earliest possible Communist revolution possible before 1917? And what country would have it most likely assuming things go wrong for that country?
 
Try to get the Paris Commune and similar uprisings in France of the time to erupt into a full-fledged revolution.
 
Impossible. The commune of Paris was not France. And this time, the rest of the country, meaning an outstanding majority, wanted no revolution. It wanted order and property respected.
 
Impossible. The commune of Paris was not France. And this time, the rest of the country, meaning an outstanding majority, wanted no revolution. It wanted order and property respected.
There are plenty of ways to change that.
 
germany if you prevent the imperialism and prussian unification of germany
Even with it, the German Empire was going to become socialist after winning WWI; Which may not fill the OP i'm just saying if you prevent the unification in the 1800s Germany's much worse off even today than OTL.

Prussia was the most Industrial country in Europe, and once unified quickly industrialized southern germany and the population, military, and industrial complex grew extensively.

Along with the Prussian school system, you know; the one that taught Marx (in his later years as a teen.) It, within a generation, turned germany into a nerd superpower (for lack of a better term) and the intelligence that that generation learned can still be seen in Germany's population today.
 
There are plenty of ways to change that.

I can't figure out how.

Since the french revolution, France was a country of of small land owners, not a country of big land properties, contrary to Russia or even Prussia and Austria-Hungary.

The opinion in the army was leaning to the right, not to the right.

The socialist party took much longer time to develop in France than in Germany and or in central Europe, or than the Labour party in the UK, because the french industry represented a smaller part of the national GDP than in tose countries.

At the time of the commune of Paris, the attempt was doomed from the start because the country was perfectly aware of the risk of a new dictature of the city of Paris on the provinces of the country.

35 million people did not want to be ruled by half of a city of 1 million people.

And they were used to political expression and to the (male) universal suffrage, which they had been enjoying since a generation (1848).
 
Oh well, Germany would probably be your best bet. Though even before unification, there's a problem in the fact that everyone else is going to lay on the smackdown if communists take over one of the German states. Prussia, at the time of the Paris Commune, freed French POWs (this was at the tail end of the Franco-Prussian War) to help the French smash the communists -- I think that shows how much communism made the rulers of Europe shit their pants.
 
Oh well, Germany would probably be your best bet. Though even before unification, there's a problem in the fact that everyone else is going to lay on the smackdown if communists take over one of the German states. Prussia, at the time of the Paris Commune, freed French POWs (this was at the tail end of the Franco-Prussian War) to help the French smash the communists -- I think that shows how much communism made the rulers of Europe shit their pants.
until the 1900s germany can't be a truly socialist country, because its capitalist faze began after unification.

Capitalism -> Civil War (most of the time) -> Socialism -> Communism
 

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I can't figure out how.

Since the french revolution, France was a country of of small land owners, not a country of big land properties, contrary to Russia or even Prussia and Austria-Hungary.

The opinion in the army was leaning to the right, not to the right.

The socialist party took much longer time to develop in France than in Germany and or in central Europe, or than the Labour party in the UK, because the french industry represented a smaller part of the national GDP than in tose countries.

At the time of the commune of Paris, the attempt was doomed from the start because the country was perfectly aware of the risk of a new dictature of the city of Paris on the provinces of the country.

35 million people did not want to be ruled by half of a city of 1 million people.

And they were used to political expression and to the (male) universal suffrage, which they had been enjoying since a generation (1848).
Small landowners can very easily be driven into destitution and radicalism, as tended to happen on the American frontier and the Canadian plains provinces. Transitions from subsistence based agriculture towards commodity production are a distressing phenomenon, especially with the debt that comes with it.

That often means people losing their land and re-consolidation of estates. It also drives more people to cities for industrialization.
 
Oh well, Germany would probably be your best bet. Though even before unification, there's a problem in the fact that everyone else is going to lay on the smackdown if communists take over one of the German states. Prussia, at the time of the Paris Commune, freed French POWs (this was at the tail end of the Franco-Prussian War) to help the French smash the communists -- I think that shows how much communism made the rulers of Europe shit their pants.

So essentially you would need most or all of the German states staging successful revolutions in the space of the same month OR you get a repeat of 1848 that's bigger, bloodier, and ties down any potential interventionists giving the German Communist Republic or whatever it ends up calling itself the breathing space it needs to get on its proverbial feet.

The thing that's tricky about this challenge is getting the right circumstances. I think, in spite of the reservations posted by others, the Paris Commune is your best bet. Revolutions require a combination of a populace primed for revolt with sufficient unity of purpose (even if it's only "hang the King!") AND a state of crisis (which can be one big thing, a lot of things all at once, or a combination of the two) serious enough to strain the socio-political system's resources to the breaking point. If you lack either element the end result is usually like what happened to the Paris Commune as OTL.

That's why I think the Paris Commune, with the right POD, is the best shot at a Communist revolution prior to Russia 1917. OTL you had the state of systemic crisis in the form of the rapidly going south Franco-Prussian War, if you can get enough of the population outside of Paris to join in you would have your Second French and First Communist Revolution. I think even Bismark would have been hard-pressed to defeat a French Commune.
 
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