WI: Dole wins in '96?

It was more back in the day.
Ah, understood then.

I'll have to admit, my guilt on the issue of cliche choices is a major reason why I haven't gone into published TL's yet. Nine times out of ten I end up with all presidents and candidates in office constantly. Hell, I'm even somewhat guilty of the Obama issue, although usually I end up with him as a vice president first.

Obviously, I won't be posting any actual TL's that suffer from that issue unless I can justify each choice.
 
In all honesty, I understand why people see it as a recurring problem for Paul - I've seen him do it in plenty of other threads - but I think you can make a cause for it working in this instance.

Dole has two successful terms, and his tax cuts provide the typical brief economic boom they usually do. After leaving office - under Kemp - the economy tanks as a result of them, much like irl, and Kemp's poor health proves a distraction from being able to do much to combat it and he is disallowed to run for a second term.

Like OTL, 2008 is an open field of candidates, but ultimately twelve years of Republican rule shifts back to Obama, with Gore and Kerry having already lost the same respective elections as OTL. Barack Obama, elected in 2004 in the fairly liberal state of Illinois regardless of president, jumps into a surely Democratic field and wins the election.

Obviously this scenario is fairly implausible - ignoring countless butterflies and basically re-synching with reality in 2008 - but it makes a lot more sense than some of Paul's other Obama-ending lists.
 
Obama? Really? Every time? :confused:

Paul, stop it. Just stop it.

In all honesty, I understand why people see it as a recurring problem for Paul - I've seen him do it in plenty of other threads - but I think you can make a cause for it working in this instance.

Dole has two successful terms, and his tax cuts provide the typical brief economic boom they usually do. After leaving office - under Kemp - the economy tanks as a result of them, much like irl, and Kemp's poor health proves a distraction from being able to do much to combat it and he is disallowed to run for a second term.

Like OTL, 2008 is an open field of candidates, but ultimately twelve years of Republican rule shifts back to Obama, with Gore and Kerry having already lost the same respective elections as OTL. Barack Obama, elected in 2004 in the fairly liberal state of Illinois regardless of president, jumps into a surely Democratic field and wins the election.

Obviously this scenario is fairly implausible - ignoring countless butterflies and basically re-synching with reality in 2008 - but it makes a lot more sense than some of Paul's other Obama-ending lists.

It's a running gag at this point, get used to it:p.

Another way to get Dole in 1996 would be to delay Perot by 4 years. With his platforms not taken by the parties he could run in 1996 and still be fresh, especially if Clinton is revealed to have his affair by then. It would be a reverse 1992:eek:, with 1996 candidates.

Alternatively, have a left wing counterpart to Perot arise in the OTL circumstances of 1996.
 
"lternatively, have a left wing counterpart to Perot arise in the OTL circumstances of 1996.[/QUOTE]

I did a rough draft of a president Quayle TL involving him running in 96 once. The pod involved the Government shutdown going slightly worse for Clinton, prompting a left-wing challenge in the Dem primaries. They then run independently, splitting the vote and handing Quayle the Whitehouse. I can see this working for Dole as well.

I agree that if Clinton loses in 96 as a result of a spectacularly bad sex scandle, their'll be no Clevelandesc comeback for him. If he loses due to a left-wing challenge however, things might be different and he could potentially run against president Dole (or whoever) in 2000, or wait until 2004, though he'd need to keep himself politically relevant enough.

I'd question whether Dole would even run again in 2000 though. Didn't he make a pledge to only serve 1 term? He could try and go back on that I guess. If Dole doesn't run, VP Kemp probably runs in his place, unless the Admin are really unpopular.
 

Robert

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The Dole Tax Cut combined with a Republican controlled congress leads to economic growth, and a balance budget by 2000.

The offer by Sudan for Osama Bin Ladin is accepted, and there is no 9-11.

Dole wins a second term, but Vice President Kemp loses to Senator John Kerry.
 
Obviously this scenario is fairly implausible - ignoring countless butterflies and basically re-synching with reality in 2008 - but it makes a lot more sense than some of Paul's other Obama-ending lists.

12 years of Republican rule instead of 8 years is surely going to change American foreign policy and alliances a lot. The butterflies of foreign policy and the world situation, even if the recession re-syncs with OTL 2008, will prevent everything re-synching with OTL.
 
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