Will Kürlich Kerl
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What happens if the Dogger Bank incident on October 21-22, 1904, escalates into war?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident
WI: Dogger Bank incident escalates
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cubefreak123
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The Royal Navy takes out the Russian fleet and then probably goes on to shell St. Petersburg. Other European powers kick back and watch the Russians get screwed from two different ends of the earth.
Everything probably goes the same as OTL for Japan (although they wouldn't have the glory of defeating a Russian fleet) and Britain gets some reparations out of Russia, who in turn takes blame for the incident. Other than that, probably nothing different in the long run.
Everything probably goes the same as OTL for Japan (although they wouldn't have the glory of defeating a Russian fleet) and Britain gets some reparations out of Russia, who in turn takes blame for the incident. Other than that, probably nothing different in the long run.
The Russian fleet gets destroyed by the Channel Fleet. The Royal Navy blockades Russia and France while Germany jumps in and launches a land invasion.
Will Kürlich Kerl
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Would they blockade France, though, because the UK and France signed the Entente Cordiale earlier in the year?
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The European powers won't allow this. At most, Japan annexes all of Sakhalin instead of just the southern half.
tallthinkev
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Would Uncle Eddie have anything to say about this, before it gets out of hand too much? I think Nicky liked him a lot, so he may back down before it goes too far.
NothingNow
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It depends. Giving the Japanese Vladivostok and the Amur River Valley below a certain point (like Blagoveshchensk) wouldn't change that much in the grand scheme of things. Especially since both are kinda useless with the Japanese holding all of Sakhalin.
cubefreak123
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I really don't think that the Japanese would take more than they took in OTL. Unless they were seriously concerned about British troops sailing through the Baltic and making landfall in Russia itself, there really isn't a reason they would not keep sending men to fight Japan via the Trans-Siberian Railroad.
After looking into it, apart from what I mentioned in my last post, Europe itself wouldn't change much except for a possible worsening of relations between Germany and the UK. This is because the Germans were helping to supply the Russians during the conflict, so an actual declaration of war between the UK and Russia may lead to pressure on the Kaiser to suspend aid.
After looking into it, apart from what I mentioned in my last post, Europe itself wouldn't change much except for a possible worsening of relations between Germany and the UK. This is because the Germans were helping to supply the Russians during the conflict, so an actual declaration of war between the UK and Russia may lead to pressure on the Kaiser to suspend aid.
Well France is obligated to join Russia by the terms of their alliance. I was assuming that France would join in but that might not necessarily be true. It depends on which country France thinks is the better ally against Germany.
David S Poepoe
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It wouldn't. Neither London, Paris nor St. Petersburg want war. The French will be working double time to ease tensions between France and Russia. They aren't going to let their encirclement of Germany, which they have been working at for over 25 years go down the tubes.
Japanese torpedo boats in the North Sea? Where do the Russian supposed they came from? Japan's secret base in the Shetlands?
I think the Russian Empire, baring major reforms, was screwed no matter which way history went.
I think the Russian Empire, baring major reforms, was screwed no matter which way history went.
The problem with this is that giving the Japanese Vladivostok weakens Russia too much.
Frisia is closer, or the outer Denmark islands, then there are Dutch ports and Norwegian. Alternately the torpedo boats could have been hauled to the ambush site on a converted frieghter and deployed from it at sea. Lots of technical problems but doable. Of course a lot of the technical problems could be eliminated by putting torpedo tubes on a carefully disguised merchant cruiser. Two or three of those could create a interesting series of situations.
Amazingly this might help England, at the time the navy wasnt living up to Nelsons standards and if they dont do too well against the Russians along with the problems with the powder might be revealed.
This. The Royal Navy would be able to find and rectify its issues but without seriously jeopardizing the war effort because, frankly, no other navy could stand up the RN at this time.