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Calbear,
The Japanese had huge problems with the sub lines around Pearl. They never even got a sniff of the Enterprise coming into port or going out, -Not quite true. Lundstrom's "First Team" details on pages 24 & 25 an IJN submarine torpedo fired at the "Big E" on the evening of Dec.10'41 and another at 0900 on Dec.11 which only missed her butt by some 20 yards. Both to the north of Oahu, after she had re-fueled on Dec.8-9'41.
Surely two fascinating "what if's" for future discussion.
IIRC wasn't Saratoga torpedoed on Jan 11'42 by one of the PH I-boats ?
The winds would actually force the Japanese to head towards the American subs that had sortied if they were launching or recovering aircraft.- Yes but the launch times for the first and second waves were but 15 minutes each so we are not talking about the KB travelling very far towards the US subamrines out to the east.
The I boats were excellent designs, and they carried great torpedoes, but their results were awful in the scouting/interdiction role.- Do you have any thoughts on why that was ? I've always wondered why 30 odd IJN subs didn't bag any USN warships right after the PH strikes, other than a few minor merchant vessels.
Are you intersted in a discussion of Oahu's coastal artillery defenses vs some Japanese battleships ? Sure. It isn't a particular area of expertise of mine, but some information is always worthwhile.- Here or is it best to start a new thread and leave this one for ongoing IJN submarine discussion ?
The Japanese had huge problems with the sub lines around Pearl. They never even got a sniff of the Enterprise coming into port or going out, -Not quite true. Lundstrom's "First Team" details on pages 24 & 25 an IJN submarine torpedo fired at the "Big E" on the evening of Dec.10'41 and another at 0900 on Dec.11 which only missed her butt by some 20 yards. Both to the north of Oahu, after she had re-fueled on Dec.8-9'41.
Surely two fascinating "what if's" for future discussion.
IIRC wasn't Saratoga torpedoed on Jan 11'42 by one of the PH I-boats ?
The winds would actually force the Japanese to head towards the American subs that had sortied if they were launching or recovering aircraft.- Yes but the launch times for the first and second waves were but 15 minutes each so we are not talking about the KB travelling very far towards the US subamrines out to the east.
The I boats were excellent designs, and they carried great torpedoes, but their results were awful in the scouting/interdiction role.- Do you have any thoughts on why that was ? I've always wondered why 30 odd IJN subs didn't bag any USN warships right after the PH strikes, other than a few minor merchant vessels.
Are you intersted in a discussion of Oahu's coastal artillery defenses vs some Japanese battleships ? Sure. It isn't a particular area of expertise of mine, but some information is always worthwhile.- Here or is it best to start a new thread and leave this one for ongoing IJN submarine discussion ?