WI: Dieppe succeeds

History Channel? isn't that about as good with history as Fox News is with current events?

Come now, that's a little unfair.

I'd use RT for the comparison.

Where's a picture of that 'Aliens' guy when you need it?
 
That was an interesting documentary based it would seem on researh into research into docunents kept secret under official secrets for 70 years and only now released to the public domain. The involvement of Ian Flemming as part of a mission by a commando unit to access a Grman naval headquarters in Dieppe to obtain intelligence information including information on the latest enigma machine is an interesting hypothesis.

If this is what was intended and if the objective had been achieved then it probably would have saved lives and shotened the war somewhat as the new German enigma machine would have been cracked several months earlier than it was.

Theere would not have been a second front based on Dieppe. Even if a temporary bridgehead had been held more than 24 hours it would have been swiftly cruhed bty German reinforcements. Which is why it was planned as a large scale raid only. Lessos would still have been learned from a succesful Diepper raid. On the othe hand that success might have obscured failings that were identified from OTL and lessons not learned for future application in Overlord.
 
But if the Dieppe Raid werer more successful would the Germans have realized that Enigma was compromised and taken steps that would have minimized the compromise? As I understand it one of the reasons that Ultra was such a success was that the Germans never considered that Enigma had been compromised and continued using it. If Dieppe had been more successful and the Germans felt that the Allies had gotten their hands on a working Enigma they may have changed there methods of operation to minimise the compromise and negate the advantage that the Allies had gained.

So more of a success may actually have been a failure
 
Apparently the special commando assigned to take the enigma machine were to so thoroughly demolish the naval headquarters building that the germans would never know the machine was missing, and so assume it was destroyed in the fighting.

The whole thing seems pretty plausible to me after watching the documentary.
 
I been studying British and German Radar in WW2. One of the most important thing about the Dieppe raid was the British sent in a group to grap parts of the newest German Radar instillation. They were very successful and the information gain from studying those parts were used by the RAF bomber command to trick German Radar when they attack Germany.

Read R V Jones "Most Secret War" for more on the important of the Dieppe Raid and Radar
 
History Channel? isn't that about as good with history as Fox News is with current events?

This was shown on the Canadian History Channel which is a different channel and has different ownership than the US version. They have a cross liscensing agreement but they are different.

I make no claim that this is what happened but the progam put forward a lot of research, indicated sources and was very plausable. O'Keefe is writing a book on the subject which will no doubt allow a more detailed scrutiny of the hypothesis and its backing research.
 

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This was shown on the Canadian History Channel which is a different channel and has different ownership than the US version. They have a cross liscensing agreement but they are different.

I make no claim that this is what happened but the progam put forward a lot of research, indicated sources and was very plausable. O'Keefe is writing a book on the subject which will no doubt allow a more detailed scrutiny of the hypothesis and its backing research.

Dieppe and 30 assault unit's involvment is in this book.

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I don't think a successful Dieppe would lead to a second front or early D-Day. I think that it would probably lead to an earlier cracking of Enigma though probably cementing the Allies position in the Atlantic a lot sooner. Thoughts?

I think it might well have led to D day being sooner. The USA was very keen on the idea and a successful Dieppe may have persuaded them to insist on a second front in 1943. The failure of Dieppe helped Britain to persuade the Americans to wait.

In WWII when the USA REALLY banged on the table with the British and insisted, it got it's way.
 
Apparently the special commando assigned to take the enigma machine were to so thoroughly demolish the naval headquarters building that the germans would never know the machine was missing, and so assume it was destroyed in the fighting.

The whole thing seems pretty plausible to me after watching the documentary.

Just watched the programme this afternoon, interesting suggestion but I suspect that wreckage of the building would be thoroughly combed for what was known to be in there at the time and whilst getting definate proof of the machine's status would be difficult it would still cause extra suspicion - sacrifice some older 3 rotor Enigma's to get smashed maybe??
 
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