WI/CP Central powers victory, smaller slightly pro german USSR and fascist revanchist france?

Your standard CP victory escenario but with a smaller USSR that is trying to not confront the germans atm (in OTL the USSR was quite close with the weimer republic out of common interest and common hostility with the entente), and with france falling to a revanchist anticomunist and autoritarian movement that should not be nazis copycats but be base on the tendencies of the french far right, I put this on so we dont get too crazy with lazy parallels.
 

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A USSR that is any smaller than OTL post-Treaty of Riga definitely isn't going to be pro-German at all. Reclaiming Ukraine, Belarus, and Azerbaijan will be its first priority.
 
France, having been deprived of the western slopes of the Vosges, Belforte, and Briey-Longwy (if not all the lands up to Nancy/Nanzig) and having to deal with a heavy indemnity will not be revanchist. More importantly, they won't have the capacity to be revanchist.

A USSR lacking the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, or Caucasus won't be strong enough to Challenge Mitteleuropa.

If you want a French Nazi-equivalent (with ideological cartoonishness being part and parcel) I'd go for Charles Maurras and the Action Francaise.
 
Your standard CP victory escenario but with a smaller USSR that is trying to not confront the germans atm (in OTL the USSR was quite close with the weimer republic out of common interest and common hostility with the entente), and with france falling to a revanchist anticomunist and autoritarian movement that should not be nazis copycats but be base on the tendencies of the french far right, I put this on so we dont get too crazy with lazy parallels.

With the devastation of WW I, the territory France is set to lose, the war reparations that'll be forced on them, and the fact that they already possessd less industry and a smaller population base even before WW I, France hasn't the capacity to go revanchist and will likely settle into middle power status, possibly permanently. As far as the USSR goes, the Germans didn't intend to allow a Bolshevik Russia after it had outlived its usefulness. You can count on heavy German support for the Whites until the Bolsheviks are defeated, after which will play the sides and turn a warlord Russia into its bitch the way Japan did to China.
 
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A German victory would eliminate the chance of the USSR taking control of Russia. They'll instead be supportive of the Whites during the Civil War and allow them to win over the Bolsheviks. Then you can get an interesting post-WW1 Russo-German alliance.
Werent the white quite irredentist? During the civil war the whites wanted to take back the territories lost in the threaty the reds sighned with the germans.
 
How are the Whites suppose to win with German support if they couldn't win with Allied support ?

The Germans are going to devote a LOT more resources, since Russia is an immediate neighbor and threat, rather than "those guys over there who used to be our allies."
 
The Germans are going to devote a LOT more resources, since Russia is an immediate neighbor and threat, rather than "those guys over there who used to be our allies."
Given the Whites were a disorganized mess and the reds hold the the majority of Russian industry, how is more aid going to fix that.
 
Whites winning the Russian Civil War if the CP win is a meme started by Kaiserreich which has no basis in reality. The White generals were anti-German just as they were anti-communist, the closest thing they had to a central authority was Kolchak who was probably the worst possible leader for any movement, and a Germany which wins WW1 is going to be just as exhausted as the Entente was after they won WW1 in OTL, and thus have zero desire to involve themselves in a yet another massive conflict.

If anything, in a CP victory, the Whites lose even faster, because the Bolsheviks are not going to be attacking West and all of the soldiers they used on the Baltics, Poland and Ukraine in OTL would now be available to deal with the Whites.
 
Whites winning the Russian Civil War if the CP win is a meme started by Kaiserreich which has no basis in reality. The White generals were anti-German just as they were anti-communist, the closest thing they had to a central authority was Kolchak who was probably the worst possible leader for any movement, and a Germany which wins WW1 is going to be just as exhausted as the Entente was after they won WW1 in OTL, and thus have zero desire to involve themselves in a yet another massive conflict.

If anything, in a CP victory, the Whites lose even faster, because the Bolsheviks are not going to be attacking West and all of the soldiers they used on the Baltics, Poland and Ukraine in OTL would now be available to deal with the Whites.
Agree. In otl, the germans manteined a cordial relation with the USSR, out of common interest, no idea why it would be different hear.
 
Agree. In otl, the germans manteined a cordial relation with the USSR, out of common interest, no idea why it would be different hear.
Well the USSR was friendly with Germany in OTL because both of them initially maintained a similar anti-Western stance, in this scenario that would not be the case.
 
A German controlled Ukraine and Belarus is a spear pointed at the heart of Russia. So the Soviets will be hostile to Germany.
 
would it not be better for germany to have the soviets as a boggy man to east to keep Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, or Caucasus in check and not to rebel because we all know the famous saying better dead than red
 
Given the Whites were a disorganized mess and the reds hold the the majority of Russian industry, how is more aid going to fix that.

Training and arming whatever bands of Whites are willing to act as German stooges just to get rid of the Reds. If needed, sending in divisions of German troops with orders to Kill a Commie.
 
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