Depends if it's a 642 pod then yes 655 no as by that point the typos was written and the emperor clearly with this wanted both sides to shut up not choose a side or compromise hw migth change his mind but it's unlikely and there is still the possibility (high one )of Constantine IV condemning itA big thing
Honestly yeah, the monoenergism thing helped massively. And if the Heraclians are more successful it could REALLY take root, I think.
WI: Constans II Triumphant
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I mean, if the Heraclians are winning that means G-d isn't angry and that means monoenergism is acceptable. Duh.
Like I said if this is post typos constans would say that god isn't angry and we shouldn't waste our time on this silly controversy however as said Constantine (if constans does conquer the duchy of benvento) migth switch and condemn it as heresy due to the fact that most of his empire would be chalecedonian and despite constans II and his own victories a reconquest of syria and Egypt is not happening and seeing how he was just alienating his subjects we could see an earlier council of Constantinople as the otl took until 680 because Constantine was worried about the empire falling apart
Do you think the empire consolidates its hold on the Balkans and Italy, then?
Like uhh... this?
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balkans yes in 658, with the eastern frontier under less pressure, Constans defeated the Slavs temporarily reasserting Byzantine rule over them and resettled some of them in Anatolia with less if he did in the otl he would do it here and even bigger if the first fitna occurs
as for italy otl timeline constans could have won had things gone a little diferent with his navy still there and the arabs killing eachother in the first fitna the possibilty rises a lot
so this
I see he holds Cilicia there.
So would you say that the Byzantine borders are more secure and stable, and they have more resources to draw upon? Would they be able to maintain their hold over coastal Africa?
that i dont know for one the arab navy has been destroyed in 655 and naval control is crucial for striking deeper in to africa on the other hand the muslim could rebuilt a navy after the first fitna but seeing how it took them 30 years post first fitna to conquer the place now with their navy destroyed and constans having a navy he migth order a raid to destroy the new arab navy in construction so if africa does fall it would be in the 8th century 720s or more.
of course constans IV was a great emperor and with a bigger empire he could defeat the muslims even more ( no reconquest ) but enougth so that the stalemate because the current border.
If Justinian II is somehow still born (unlikely), he'd have more resources to use for his various projects, and fewer obstacles.
depens how good of a leader alt justinian II is
constantine IV migth still die in 680 or 690s if we look at his art
the man looked like a living corpse assuming constans dies in 670s or early 680s
he is leaving constantine IV with this .
and worst case he dies in just 10 years after his dad then even then the byzantine empire is left way better than the otl and alt Justinian II would be left a quite a good place its also likely that the bulgarians would loose ongal was a close thing that the byzantines would have won with out constantine IV leaving constantine IV or an ageing constans II would win that battle and the first bulgarian empire doesnt exist or they move to the north of the danube maybe to panonia.
Why is the empire abandoning all of its holdings on the Dalmatian/Illyrian coast?
Cosntans II could have invaded spoleto too strengthening the position in italy for The Roman Empire
not only that he could have also retook the city of alexandria and nearby areas
Wow, the empire looks pretty bloodied, but even so it's in a much better position than OTL. Venice and the islands of the western Mediterranean won't be lost anytime soon. What's the remaining Lombard holdout in southern/central Italy? Spoleto?
Yeah the duchy of spoleto who would be feeling really nervous I don't know if alt constans in this timeline would also attack it if he won in taking the duchy of benvento but there is the problem of over extension and thar would require troops unlike my timeline where islam doesn't exist
In this timeline he is with a much smaller empire and he did recognize that so the duchy of spoleto is a possibility
Depending how much damage did he do in the first Fitna after he won at the battle of the mast
No by a 655 that is way to late even if he destroyed the Muslim fleet and the first Fitna occurs the next year
He would not do this he already saw how in 642 on why it failed it would be to much of a risk and while constans was a risk taker he knew when to back off as seen by him leaving Armenia in the otl
This could happen if he decides the time and effort in to taking the duchy is Worth it or should be better spent in the Balkans or against the caliphate
I mean one about if I technically one about heraclius about why not constans maybe when I reach the 14th century on heirs if heraclius (ie half way to the present) I would start looking for a new timeline to plan
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