WI: Completely atheist United States of America?

The US might be the evilest place on earth were no one uses the golden rule or a very polite society were ever one is armed and takes no shit from anyone .

Give me a town were the people have a strong belief in God over a bunch of Atheist any day . The Average church goer believes in the ten commandments and the golden rule and try's to be nice to everyone . Most Atheist I have run into try to push there believes down everyone throat they have made it were you can not say a pray before you start a test and made Christ birthday into a huge money makeing day with little meaning .
Umm... WHAT!? Uh, how is this not offensive or assuming or anything? And what on earth made you think that this is an appropriate place to talk about how much you hate us?
 
Atheist AND Secularist?

If the majority of Americans are irreligious and even atheistic, then perhaps the country would embrace a secular identity like that of France, wherein outward public expression of faith through attire is restricted.
 
Umm... WHAT!? Uh, how is this not offensive or assuming or anything? And what on earth made you think that this is an appropriate place to talk about how much you hate us?


Were did I say I hate you I said I do not like how some Atheist try to shove there beliefs on everyone else .
I lived in a town that in the 1980's everyone was christian expect for one family that one family forced the town by sueing it to stop its decorating for Christmas because they did not like the idea . The rest of the people did .
But because 4 people in a town of 50,000 did not the rest had to lose there right to free speech and religion . You have the right not to believe in a God just like I have a right to believe in one .

Also go read some of the old west history were men were killed for snoring too load .
Remember time were different in the 1800's then today . Let see if you can get 30,000 men to stand in straight lines at a 100 yards as 30,000 men fire a 1 inch lead ball at them . And here in the US in the 1860's that happened more then once .
 
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mats

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Were did I say I hate you I said I do not like how some Atheist try to shove there beliefs on everyone else .
I lived in a town that in the 1980's everyone was christian expect for one family that one family forced the town by sueing it to stop its decorating for Christmas because they did not like the idea . The rest of the people did .
But because 4 people in a town of 50,000 did not the rest had to lose there right to free speech and religion . You have the right not to believe in a God just like I have a right to believe in one .

Also go read some of the old west history were men were killed for snoring too load .
Remember time were different in the 1800's then today . Let see if you can get 30,000 men to stand in straight lines at a 100 yards as 30,000 men fire a 1 inch lead ball at them . And here in the US in the 1860's that happened more then once .

you said MOST atheists. Whilst such people are doucebags, as are christians/muslims/jews/whatever who try to shove something they believe up your ass, it goes to far to say that most Atheists/chrisitans/muslims/jews/whatever are doucebags. And those people in your town might be assholes, but that doesn't mean all atheists are assholes. And how is the civil war in any way related?
 
Were did I say I hate you I said I do not like how some Atheist try to shove there beliefs on everyone else .
I lived in a town that in the 1980's everyone was christian expect for one family that one family forced the town by sueing it to stop its decorating for Christmas because they did not like the idea . The rest of the people did .
But because 4 people in a town of 50,000 did not the rest had to lose there right to free speech and religion . You have the right not to believe in a God just like I have a right to believe in one .

~Totally irrelevant part about cowboys snipped~

Hey Ward? I hate to brake it to you, but that one solitary family's actions most definitely had more to do with them being preachy assholes rather than them being atheists... Because - fun fact - being a preachy asshole is not something exclusive to atheism. From my experience, it's something EVERYONE is guilty of from time to time, and not only with regards to religion, but other things like lifestyle choices, personal tastes in music/cuisine, etc... People will preach about ANYTHING to ANYONE who they think they might be able to convince, because everyone knows that they are right and everyone else is wrong (SARCASM SARCASM).

You are absolutely, 100% permitted to have an issue with people who go around trying to cram their beliefs down your throat. I can't honestly think of many people who like that... But if you're going to voice a distaste for atheists who peddle their belief (or, more accurately, lack thereof), you may want to take a look in the mirror.

Let's look at your first post, shall we? Notes in red/underlined sections are my own embellishments.

The US [Were it a majority/completely atheist society]might be the evilest place on earth were no one uses the golden rule or a very polite society were ever one is armed and takes no shit from anyone .

Give me a town were the people have a strong belief in God over a bunch of Atheist any day . The Average church goer believes in the ten commandments and the golden rule and try's to be nice to everyone . Most Atheist I have run into try to push there believes down everyone throat they have made it were you can not say a pray before you start a test and made Christ birthday into a huge money makeing day with little meaning .

Pardon me, but it sounds an awful lot like you're trying to convince everyone that an atheist America would be naught but a post-Apocalytic dystopia (hey, if you're allowed to hyperbolize, then so am I) based on your limited experience with atheists and Christians in your - by your own admission - small town of 50,000 residents (perhaps you've had other experiences too, but you haven't deigned to mention them... I work with what I'm given). What is that if NOT trying to convince those who read your post of YOUR belief that atheists are inherently unethical, condescending, proselytizing, zealous thugs whereas "The Average church goer believes in the ten commandments and the golden rule and try's to be nice to everyone"? Sounds to me like you're also trying to cram your belief (not necessarily in Yahweh, but rather in the inherent moral superiority of Christian society as opposed to an atheist society) down the throats of any atheists (or anyone with a differing opinion) you encounter here.

Heck, you even blame atheists for turning Christmas into a "huge money making holiday with little meaning" and stopping you from saying a prayer before a test... How DARE they legislate such things!
Wait? What? Christmas has been commercialized for way longer than it has been even moderately acceptable to be an atheist in American society? No one is actually stopping you from saying a quick silent prayer before your test?
Never mind the fact that many Christian lawmakers are actively working on legislation AGAINST abortion and FOR the death penalty (does that not seem a little odd to you that someone can be both "pro-life" AND "pro-death"?) while simultaneously trying to deny civil rights to gay couples. That's alright, because they're on the moral high ground, not like those gutter-crawling atheists (SARCASM SAR-you get it...).

My point is before you start on a tirade about how annoying and preachy SOME atheists (or some people who have any kind of belief in anything whatsoever) can be, you may want to consider going about it in a manner that doesn't make you sounds exactly like the type of person you're condemning... Just one of my woke-up-too-damn-early-this-morning thoughts that I felt compelled to share...

Cheers!
 

Mathuen

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The US might be the evilest place on earth were no one uses the golden rule or a very polite society were ever one is armed and takes no shit from anyone .

Give me a town were the people have a strong belief in God over a bunch of Atheist any day . The Average church goer believes in the ten commandments and the golden rule and try's to be nice to everyone . Most Atheist I have run into try to push there believes down everyone throat they have made it were you can not say a pray before you start a test and made Christ birthday into a huge money makeing day with little meaning .

Ouch. That hurts. I just live my life free and happy, having fun on this site, getting an education and helping the people I love.

I don't even own a gun...
 
Getting back on topic before this gets moved into Chat.

The 18th amendment would likely have been avoided, as Methodist temperance groups would have little throwing power in a largely deist country. That doesn't throw prohibition right out of the window, I imagine it would become largely a state issue. I'm not sure what the spiritual demographics of each state would be in the proposed scenario, but in reality there were numerous "dry states" existing at various times in the midwest and South far before the 18th amendment.

I think It's still possible for an anti-alcohol attitude to develop in some social circles. I don't know if it would be strong enough to create a prohibition amendment, though.

You could form a temperance movement around the health and social effects of alcoholism than religious beliefs. I could also see a popular Deism, or unofficial "religion of the state", combined with some form of Neo-Stoicism. This could easily spread into atheist circles, just getting rid of religion doesn't get rid of inhibitions.

Plus, with some of the scenarios proposed, where anti-religious attitudes are dominant, propaganda could be used to equate alcohol with religion (communion wine and all that), although they'd probably have to bring in some anti-immigration into that as well.
 
If the majority of Americans are irreligious and even atheistic, then perhaps the country would embrace a secular identity like that of France, wherein outward public expression of faith through attire is restricted.

Cut the foolish missunderstanding of laicité and rigtwing thrivel now.
 
No Great Depression or World War 2, the roaring 20's go on into the 30s and 40s, and there's no FDR to tell us Jesus loves America.

That's the only way you can get close, and even then a majority is unlikely.
 
ASB in any scenario imo, barring a communist takeover along 1917 lines, with the establishment of a Stalinist-type government that forcibly represses religious expression. Religion is just too strong of a social force to do away with sans coercive means, unless you have a lot of world-shaking events that challenge your faith (like Europe having two World Wars fought on its soil). Either that or you'd need something like the Catholic sex abuse scandals times 10 and in every denomination.

Even in OTL Europe a large number of people are at least nominally Christian even though they're not devout. And I think a few doctrinal liberalizations on the part of the various Churches could reverse this trend somewhat. Also, a lot of European hostility to religion is rooted in the existence of formal state churches, which America obviously does not have.
 
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