WI Communists gain power in China

WI Communists gain power in China, say 1928.

For the sake of the scenario they have a good relationship with the USSR.
Does Japan still invade China.
Does America take a less hostile stance to Japanese aggression against China.
Does Japan avoid any war against China.
Does the Pacific War not happen.

So imagining that the USSR and China are close allies.
Will Poland and Germany avoid hostilities for fear of the Soviet Chinese super bloc.
Will Britain and France be more conciliatory to Germany for the same reason.
 

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WI Communists gain power in China, say 1928.

For the sake of the scenario they have a good relationship with the USSR.
Does Japan still invade China.

no

Does America take a less hostile stance to Japanese aggression against China.

N/A

Does Japan avoid any war against China.

probably- some things depend on what China wants or if Japan sees China as a sanctuary for guerrillas

Does the Pacific War not happen.

No-

So imagining that the USSR and China are close allies.

Will Poland and Germany avoid hostilities for fear of the Soviet Chinese super bloc.

No- China will still not be seen to be industrial enough, and will not be industrial enough, to tip the european power balance


Will Britain and France be more conciliatory to Germany for the same reason.

Not unless Germany is more conciliatory to its neighbors on all sides
 
WI Communists gain power in China, say 1928.

For the sake of the scenario they have a good relationship with the USSR.
Does Japan still invade China.

I say yes, because Japanese does not want a communist revolution in Korea.

Does America take a less hostile stance to Japanese aggression against China.
Does Japan avoid any war against China.

No, America may be friendlier to Japan and encourage Japan to attack to prevent the spread of communist in Asia.

Does the Pacific War not happen.

No, there is no point for the war. U.S. will provide all the oil which Japanese needs

So imagining that the USSR and China are close allies.
Will Poland and Germany avoid hostilities for fear of the Soviet Chinese super bloc.
Will Britain and France be more conciliatory to Germany for the same reason.

There will be impacts in Europe. Britain may not be willing to do business with Soviet to help Soviet industrialization. Soviet and China will be two agrarian societies like Pol Pot of Cambodia.
 
It might leads to more issues with nationalists and independantists, especially the Marxist ones, in French Indochina, Japanese Korea and the British Raj: China might help local Communist movements.

And Japan might be thought to be an ally for the West, maybe resulting, if soon enough, to weaker nationalist secret societies.
 
WI Communists gain power in China, say 1928.

For the sake of the scenario they have a good relationship with the USSR.
1) Does Japan still invade China.
2) Does America take a less hostile stance to Japanese aggression against China.
3) Does Japan avoid any war against China.
4) Does the Pacific War not happen.

So imagining that the USSR and China are close allies.
5) Will Poland and Germany avoid hostilities for fear of the Soviet Chinese super bloc.
6) Will Britain and France be more conciliatory to Germany for the same reason.

1) They wouldn't. It would be a bloody endeavour, because China might wants some help from the USSR to solve the invasion problem. It would be easier for Japan to finance a coup, with opposents to the regime. Having a 1930-ish Communist China next to Japanese-controlled Korea would lead the Japanese to crackdown on any communist groups.

2) Because it doesn't happen, the answer is 'no'. America's oïl would go to Japan (which means no oïl sanctions). It might results in an early liberalisation of Japan (between 1940s-1950s) and the relations with the Western world (US, Europe, etc.) might be good. Old occupied territories might gain their independence: Korea could suffer from a communist revolution attempt, but it is certain the Japanese forces would help to counter it. So here, Korea's united.

3) The answer is... Maybe. It is 50/50.

4) No Pacific War, no Pearl Harbor, no 'hopping-from-islands-to-islands', no Midway battle, no Iwo Jima, no nuclear bombs dropped on Japan soil. Japan is, here, a US ally. The question is: would Japan intervene in Europe? Who knows. However, the European War might last longer. If the US are attacked by Germany (directly on its soil or indirectly), Japan will likely join the US in Europe.

5) At that time, China was very agricultural. Not industrialised. So, the balance of power doesn't change an inch.

6) No. WW2 would have still happened in this scenario, but it would have be an European War-only (unless, Germany attacks the US, then it is WW2, full power).
 

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I know anticommunism was a thing for the west even before the Cold War but it seems to me that the bending of threads to make western powers form united fronts to roll back communism before the Cold War is a really common AH cliche. I mean, remember folks, ultimately the west pulled its punches during the Russian Civil War, allied with Communists in WWII and chose containment over rollback and WWIII during the OTL Cold War. Clearly western governments did not have the monomaniacal obsession with injuring/defeating the communists that many posters have.
 
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