WI communist China in Manchuria.

So in this scenario, the Chinese communist come out ww2 worse than otl and the Chinese civil war turns in to a stalemate like otl Korea, with the communist having an strong hold on Manchuria. How would this effect the Cold War since now the Communist China isn't as strong as otl and would most likely be a soviet puppet or at least in a similar position as Yugoslavia.
 
So in this scenario, the Chinese communist come out ww2 worse than otl and the Chinese civil war turns in to a stalemate like otl Korea, with the communist having an strong hold on Manchuria. How would this effect the Cold War since now the Communist China isn't as strong as otl and would most likely be a soviet puppet or at least in a similar position as Yugoslavia.

Korean War is an American/UN victory.

North Vietnam fails because no Communist assistance. Thus, no economic downfall of the 70's and a greater trust in government.

Most likely, America won't fear losing countries to communism as much. I think the greatest impact of a communist China was that America felt that they failed to prevent communism from spreading. This led to American intervention everywhere. Without the fall of Nationalist China, America would be a bit more "hands off" to socialist leaning nations.
 
Korean War is an American/UN victory.

North Vietnam fails because no Communist assistance. Thus, no economic downfall of the 70's and a greater trust in government.

Most likely, America won't fear losing countries to communism as much. I think the greatest impact of a communist China was that America felt that they failed to prevent communism from spreading. This led to American intervention everywhere. Without the fall of Nationalist China, America would be a bit more "hands off" to socialist leaning nations.

North Vietnam likely wouldn't come to power, anyways. Not the North Vietnam that we all know, at any rate.
 
Mao wouldn't last as leader of Communist Manchuria. Maybe he'd get purged by Stalin, and a more pliant puppet leader is installed as leader of the Chinese Communists.

Soviet Union would keep Xinjiang. East Turkestan SSR.

Obviously, no Sino-Soviet split. World Communism continues to be dominated by the Moscow line.

There would be a very long militarised border between the ROC and Soviet Central Asia, Communist Mongolia and Communist Manchuria. The ROC would be heavily American-backed, and also have good relations with Pakistan. The ROC would annex Tibet and be an enemy of India. Anti-communist Nationalist movements would be backed by the ROC in Southeast Asia, while communist movements would be crushed. If Suharto comes to power in Indonesia, and Marcos in the Philippines, both strongman regimes would be allies of the ROC.
 
Worldwide Communism doesn't take root, too. China, unlike the US, is liable to fund independence groups against the colonial empires - just probably not the Communist ones. That butterflies away lots of Communist countries in Africa, for example...
 
The State of Vietnam (no north-south split), the Kingdom of Cambodia, and the Kingdom of Laos all survive as ROC allies. Thailand and the Burmese military junta are also ROC allies. Along with military-ruled Indonesia and the Philippines, Singapore and the Republic of Korea (which would most likely win the Korean War and reunify the peninsula) will have good relations with the ROC. Finally, relations between Japan and Malaysia and the ROC are likely to be lukewarm, but still cordial due to their shared anti-communism and pro-Western stance.

India becomes even more pro-Soviet as a result of being encircled by pro-ROC states across Southeast Asia, and a pro-ROC Pakistan to its west. This could be enough to push India into going full-blown Red.

With East Asia and Southeast Asia effectively blocked off to them by the anti-communist bulwark of the ROC, the Soviets will feel more encircled and seek to meddle more in the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, provide more support to India, and exert even stronger control over Eastern Europe and Manchuria. But without the Sino-Soviet split, the Soviets feel a lot more ideologically secure as well, as there is no other communist nation (not even potentially India, and certainly not Manchuria) that could challenge their leadership of the communist world.

The Red Scare is lessened in the United States. Nobody really "lost China" here. Although the Domino Effect could pop up elsewhere like the Middle East, Latin America or Africa, and NATO would still be paranoid about the Iron Curtain.
 
USSR finds an excuse to take Inner Mongolia as well, linking Xinjiang to Manchuria. It then makes all this into the People's Republic of China, while splitting local power to make them dependent on the Soviets.

Mao is offed and someone sympathetic to the Soviets is found to replace him.
 
USSR finds an excuse to take Inner Mongolia as well, linking Xinjiang to Manchuria. It then makes all this into the People's Republic of China, while splitting local power to make them dependent on the Soviets.

Mao is offed and someone sympathetic to the Soviets is found to replace him.

I think it more likely that the East Turkestan SSR (Xinjiang) and Mongolian SSR (Inner and Outer Mongolia) are outright integrated into the Soviet Union, with Manchuria alone being vassalised as a puppet People's Republic of China ruled by the Soviet-approved CCP.
 
I think it more likely that the East Turkestan SSR (Xinjiang) and Mongolian SSR (Inner and Outer Mongolia) are outright integrated into the Soviet Union, with Manchuria alone being vassalised as a puppet People's Republic of China ruled by the Soviet-approved CCP.
I was going by my rudimentary understanding of the demographics in those two regions, which contain large Han pluralities. Of course we know that that's never an obstacle for Stalin...
 
I think it more likely that the East Turkestan SSR (Xinjiang) and Mongolian SSR (Inner and Outer Mongolia) are outright integrated into the Soviet Union, with Manchuria alone being vassalised as a puppet People's Republic of China ruled by the Soviet-approved CCP.

I'd be guessing that the purpose of the PRC existing, then, would be to become a buffer. Having this buffer stretch across most of the ROC-USSR border would make it a legit buffer.
 
I'd be guessing that the purpose of the PRC existing, then, would be to become a buffer. Having this buffer stretch across most of the ROC-USSR border would make it a legit buffer.

Right, instead of annexing those regions Stalin might see fit to do pull an Eastern Europe on them. Of course this also is equal to simultaneously slapping the ROC in the face for the next few generations by entertaining the idea of a second China backed up by Soviet tanks and Manchurian industry and resources. Think about how pissed the OTL Chinese get about Taiwan; this would be that but several orders worse.
 
I think it more likely that the East Turkestan SSR (Xinjiang) and Mongolian SSR (Inner and Outer Mongolia) are outright integrated into the Soviet Union, with Manchuria alone being vassalised as a puppet People's Republic of China ruled by the Soviet-approved CCP.

Which means that the Great Wall becomes a fortified frontier once again.

The turn of history...

Regards

R
 
I'd think it has to be south at Beijing, since only being Manchuria brings back memories of Manzhouguo.

I think it depends on how successful the KMT is at defending its land. The Soviets probably don't want to get involved in a big war in China.
 
With Southeast Asia effectively blocked off the ROC and various American-backed military strongman regimes, what are the chances that there is some type of Vietnam-style insurgency war in Iran perhaps?
 
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