WI: Colonists lose King Philips War

So Metacoms uprising in the New England colonies cought them by surprise and the colonists where very outnumbered, what would be the effects if the natives actually managed to expel the colonists? The OTL victory was still a pretty close one so it's possible, especially since the new England colonies whereby as valuable as the Virginia colonies.
 
Depending on what happens to the colonies, if we can assume they get sacked completely, Britain would be far more controlling of it's colonies. Britain abandoning North American colonies all together could be a highly unlikely outcome as well.
 
Well let's see, we can assume that a good number of the English colonists and their allies among the Mohegan and Pequot are going to end up being killed by the Wampanoag Indians and their allies if they ended up being victorious. Their settlements are going to get burnt to the ground and those that aren't destroyed would promptly be abandoned by the surviving colonists who would try to congregate together in the more larger towns in Massachusetts and Rhode Island and try to muster some kind of defense until reinforcements can arrive from England and force a truce. Depending on severe the victory is, settlement of New England is delayed for a time (maybe a decade or two) and there would be an increased focus on the South.
 
Anybody know how many colonists there were in New England during King Philips's War? I'd say Metacom might have a decent chance of slaughtering/running them off if there's less than 10,000, but not if there's more than that. The Wampanoag would have to strike hard and fast to create a panic that causes the colonists to retreat en mass, because the Wampanoags' supplies will run out much quicker.

The surviving colonists would probably withdraw to their most populated, fortified towns, and re-expand slowly from there. Word of the defeat will probably put a major dent in migration of new settlers, but they'll eventually have numbers on their side and begin re-expanding. Hard to say what would happen to the Mohegan; worst case scenario they could get completely destroyed. The Wampanoag and their allies will become the dominant native force in the region, and could be the dominant native force for a long time, if they don't run too afoul of the Iroquois.

edit: Colonist population was 80,000, according to Wikipedia, with a total native population of about 10,000 in the region. Far too many for the colonists to be run out of the colonies at this point. Heavy losses, however, could cause them to withdraw from many areas and only build heavily fortified settlements in the future.
 
I always forget which war is which, but for new englanders to be pushed into the sea requires a very early war. Moreover, it requires every nation in the area to unite against the english. Unfortunately for the natives, the nations were enemies of each other, and by the time the english were realized to be a bigger threat, it was too late.

The WORST result would be to almost succeed.

English advantage not only includes military tech, like armour and horses and guns and fortifications, it includes agricultural tech (you can feed more people for one acre of land, AND you can reliably transport and store food), and social tech (relative unity, access to a homeland and other colonies that could help them tide over a year of war). Oh, and logistics. The locals really cant get supplies from any natives further away, although the might in theory get warriors, whereas ships can bring in food and weapons from england or virginia.

If there are any englissh left in the walled towns, the natives are doomed. Armed men can sweep out in big enough groups to wipe out any individual indian town, killing everyone they find, and destroying crops and stores.
Rinse and repeat.

While the natives can gather enough warriors to defeat such a raid, they cant keep a large force together. An gathering all the warriors at one spot leaves all their villages defenseless.

So, if they managed to get the english completely gone from new england, they might win, planting a new colony would be too hard against hostile inhabitants. But unless the win completely, they have lost.

If they tried and failed, the colonists would exterminate any native village that was in reach and didnt immediately aquiesce to all the english demands.
 
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I always forget which war is which, but for new englanders to be pushed into the sea requires a very early war. Moreover, it requires every nation in the area to unite against the english. Unfortunately for the natives, the nations were enemies of each other, and by the time the english were realized to be a bigger threat, it was too late.

The WORST result would be to almost succeed.

English advantage not only includes military tech, like armour and horses and guns and fortifications, it includes agricultural tech (you can feed more people for one acre of land, AND you can reliably transport and store food), and social tech (relative unity, access to a homeland and other colonies that could help them tide over a year of war). Oh, and logistics. The locals really cant get supplies from any natives further away, although the might in theory get warriors, whereas ships can bring in food and weapons from england or virginia.

If there are any englissh left in the walled towns, the natives are doomed. Armed men can sweep out in big enough groups to wipe out any individual indian town, killing everyone they find, and destroying crops and stores.
Rinse and repeat.

While the natives can gather enough warriors to defeat such a raid, they cant keep a large force together. An gathering all the warriors at one spot leaves all their villages defenseless.

So, if they managed to get the english completely gone from new england, they might win, planting a new colony would be too hard against hostile inhabitants. But unless the win completely, they have lost.

If they tried and failed, the colonists would exterminate any native village that was in reach and didnt immediately aquiesce to all the english demands.

All good points. As I pointed out above, I think a population of >10,000 (that number is the total amount of natives in the New England region, the number of Wampanoags and their allies must be significantly less) displacing a population of 80,000 is completely ASB.
 
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