WI: Chunnel is Made in the Interwar Years

Would it be politically and economically possible for the Channel Tunnel to be built between the years 1918 and 1939?

What would be it's historical impact if it was created during this time?
 
Yes, it first came up as a suggestion to soothe the French that the British would support them if Germany attacked again during the Peace talks in 1919.

From wiki:
In 1919, during the Paris Peace Conference, the British prime minister, David Lloyd George, repeatedly brought up the idea of a Channel tunnel as a way of reassuring France about British willingness to defend against another German attack. The French did not take the idea seriously, and nothing came of Lloyd George's proposal.

In the 1920s, Winston Churchill had advocated for the Channel Tunnel, using that exact name in an essay entitled "Should Strategists Veto The Tunnel?" The essay was published on 27 July 1924 in the Weekly Dispatch, and argued vehemently against the idea that the tunnel could be used by a Continental enemy in an invasion of Britain. Churchill expressed his enthusiasm for the project again in an article for the Daily Mail on 12 February 1936, "Why Not A Channel Tunnel?"

There was another proposal in 1929, but nothing came of this discussion and the idea was shelved. Proponents estimated the construction cost at US$150 million. The engineers had addressed the concerns of both nations' military leaders by designing two sumps—one near the coast of each country—that could be flooded at will to block the tunnel. But this did not appease military leaders, and other concerns about hordes of tourists who would disrupt English life. Military fears continued during the Second World War. After the fall of France, as Britain prepared for an expected German invasion, a Royal Navy officer in the Directorate of Miscellaneous Weapons Development calculated that Hitler could use slave labour to build two Channel tunnels in 18 months. The estimate caused rumours that Germany had already begun digging.
 
The estimate caused rumours that Germany had already begun digging.
I wanted to post the last scene of the 1971 Dad's Army movie where they're on the White Cliffs of Dover and think they can hear the sound of digging. But couldn't find it on Youtube.
 
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There was another proposal in 1929, but nothing came of this discussion and the idea was shelved. Proponents estimated the construction cost at US$150 million.
Somewhere in the notes I took at the National Railway Museum's Search Engine is a Southern Railway estimate that it would cost £15 million, IIRC, but I'm not going to go through my notes to find out whether I have remembered correctly.
 
I'd say there's a much more realistic prospect of it happening pre First World War. After the war the economy just isn't there, and the political situation is more... obviously unstable.
 
The actual Channel Tunnel wasn't (and isn't) economically feasible and any assessment done by actual tunnel engineers would confirm that. An inter war tunnel would be worse, being even slower to build while having even less traffic to carry.

If it happens it would be political, governments wasting a lot taxpayers money on a vanity project. Worse a vanity project that will take so long to build that their successors will end up taking the credit. I can't see it happening myself
 
The actual Channel Tunnel wasn't (and isn't) economically feasible and any assessment done by actual tunnel engineers would confirm that. An inter war tunnel would be worse, being even slower to build while having even less traffic to carry.

If it happens it would be political, governments wasting a lot taxpayers money on a vanity project. Worse a vanity project that will take so long to build that their successors will end up taking the credit. I can't see it happening myself
Could it be used for military reasons? How quickly could you drive tanks and trucks of men through a Chunnel?
 
Could it be used for military reasons? How quickly could you drive tanks and trucks of men through a Chunnel?
The first Chunnel proposals in the 1880's were sunk partially because of fears of the French using it to invade Britain. The idea was that a force of around 20,000 could go through dressed as civilians and take control of the British end of the tunnel. Then use it as a bridgehead that the Navy couldn't block. It was a bit over the top, and the Interwar relationship with France is better but if a military use of the tunnel is brought up that is probably more of a detractor for the British than an asset. Their greatest strength is still at sea. Its the continental nations that would be seen to gain the greatest military benefit from a land connection to Britain.
 
It would never amount to more then a trickle. A single railway track isn't really enough to move an army, or even a sizable part of one.
I think the opposite is actually true? Mulberry harbors moving about 10,000-20,000 tons per day supported much of the allied advance. A railcar can carry about 70 tons, so about 273 rail car loads per day. With enough marshalling yard space, a rail tunnel can support multiple trains per hour through it, even for cargo. If you can dispatch from the Uk and unload in France a 15 car train every hour (unloading six trains at the same time in adjacent sidings with one train unloaded and turned around in France every 6 hours, so) you can move about 27,000 tons per day. The yard capacity, not the tunnel, is the limit. Four 15-car trains per hour is well within historical signaling, and is still >100,000 tons.
 
Thinking about trains they probably need to be electric (steam trains would probably asphyxiate all involved given the length of the tunnel) and at best they are going to be 1.5kv DC overhead as that is what interwar France uses. No-one has got overhead AC working properly/cheaply and wont till the 1950s with various inventions, so that is right out.

You might get a few km between substations out of 1.5kV DC, so you are still looking at a dozen underground substations to power the route with fairly massive cables to get the power to each substation. That might end up costing more than the rest of the tunnel put together, this will be a colossally expensive venture.
 
Could it be used for military reasons? How quickly could you drive tanks and trucks of men through a Chunnel?
Fairly quickly, right up until someone dynamites and floods it. If such a tunnel existed in 1940, it would be systematically lined with bombs and blown the moment anyone drives a panzer into it, not to be rebuilt for decades.
 
It would increase the amount of supplies and troops that would be able to be sent to the BEF on 1940
It would only act as a minor impediment to the Germans
When France fell demolition charges would be set off in the chunnel
The Germans would make attempts to clear the tunnel, which would attract allied air power.
That would lure the Luffwaffa into a battle of attrition which they couldn't win
If the channel was deemed repairable within acceptable time limits the Allies would repair it after D-Day.
Most likely it would be rebuilt post war
 
Fairly quickly, right up until someone dynamites and floods it. If such a tunnel existed in 1940, it would be systematically lined with bombs and blown the moment anyone drives a panzer into it, not to be rebuilt for decades.
Post war Europe need a jobs and a morale boost
Rebuilding the tunnel would become a source of national pride and supply good-paying jobs
Rebuilding would start as soon as the Marshall plan was implemented
 
Rebuilding/reopening the Channel Tunnel would be a powerful symbol of a return to normality and so a high priority for both the French and British governments. I wouldn't be surprised if work began on the tunnel as soon as Calais was liberated probably using POWs for the grunt work.
 
In an attempt to appease those worried about security, the 1880 tunnel was intended to have a sump station on both sides that would allow the tunnel to be flooded by either nation in the event of war. Assuming the thing actually gets built in the interwar period I would expect they would put something similar in. Should be able to flood it without completely destroying it.
 
In an attempt to appease those worried about security, the 1880 tunnel was intended to have a sump station on both sides that would allow the tunnel to be flooded by either nation in the event of war. Assuming the thing actually gets built in the interwar period I would expect they would put something similar in. Should be able to flood it without completely destroying it.

For what it's worth, Churchill himself was one of the biggest proponents of the Chunnel in the interwar years, and continued advocating it after he'd started advocating for British rearmament.
 
Thinking about trains they probably need to be electric (steam trains would probably asphyxiate all involved given the length of the tunnel) and at best they are going to be 1.5kv DC overhead as that is what interwar France uses. No-one has got overhead AC working properly/cheaply and wont till the 1950s with various inventions, so that is right out.

You might get a few km between substations out of 1.5kV DC, so you are still looking at a dozen underground substations to power the route with fairly massive cables to get the power to each substation. That might end up costing more than the rest of the tunnel put together, this will be a colossally expensive venture.
There was a tunnel in italy during ww2 where everyone on the train died from asphyxiation
 
The tunnel is built but dynamited shortly after the Germans reach the Belgian border. A flooded tunnel is left as a landmark after the war and perhaps rebuilt elsewhere but most likely not.
 
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