WI Christian nations recognize Genocides committed by them during Ottoman era

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POD for these yearly memorial days (whether observed or not)...
Greece – some time after joining NATO in 1952
Armenia – soon after independence

So for this ASB-ish WI lets say some Christian nations memorialize THE ENTIRITY of their history regardless of what Turkey did or didn’t do. All genocides/atrocities committed against Muslims or Turks would be remembered as well as of course genocides/massacres against Christian populations. It would just be part of the general fabric of things, much like VE day in the UK. Most people are aware of it but not many will actively go and lay wreaths and what-not. These memorial days would be on an even smaller scale than that. They would just be there, even if many Greeks and Armenians don't really take much notice of them (note: The potential right of return of peoples and/or reparations would be off the table. These would just be memorial days nothing more).

Here’s what it might look like in a slightly bizarre ATL :

GREECE:

Lasithi Genocide Memorial Day (Crete) – 20th February


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Cretan Genocide Memorial, Lasithi, Crete

This memorial day commemorates the Cretan Genocide where Greek Christians massacred ethnic Greek Muslims hoping to wipe out the population on the island and drive them away. Minor services are held at some churches on the island every year on 20th February and individuals also lay wreaths at the island's genocide memorial and other locations.


Peloponnese Genocide Day (Greece) – 20th August

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Peloponnese Genocide Memorial Tree overlooking Athens, Greece

Although official memorial services are not held, churches in Greece mark the day with a special ringing of bells – to remember and atone for the the Ottoman Turkish civilians that were killed or driven out from their home during the push for Greek independence. This memorial day doesn't get a great deal of attention within much of Greece, but in Thrace with its large Muslim population it does get observed and many laying wreaths or attending memorial services. Special prayers are read at mosques and some churches too, to remember the fallen.

ARMENIA:

Memorial Day for Azeri Armenians – 1st December


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Azeri Memorial Statue, Yerevan

Memorial day for Azeris that were expelled or killed during the years of the first Armenian Republic and later the SSR. Though this day is not marked by many, some Azeris and Armenians lay wreaths at the Azeri Memorial Statue at Yerevan. A few churches also mark the day with a special ringing of bells.


Questions:
  • What would be the effects of such an ASB on our timeline (starting from a POD of 1953 for Greece and 1991 for Armenia)?
  • Would it cause many butterflies?
 
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Tsarist Russia conquers balkans and anatolia sometime 1880-1910. As punishment for ottoman behavior, they decide to kill as many turks as they can find while making a big propaganda deal about ottoman atrocities at the same time as they're making piles of corpses.
 
Tsarist Russia conquers balkans and anatolia sometime 1880-1910. As punishment for ottoman behavior, they decide to kill as many turks as they can find while making a big propaganda deal about ottoman atrocities at the same time as they're making piles of corpses.
Huh?

All events up to POD stay the same. This is a post 1950's What if
 
Ah okay
But I meant the genocides that were committed against Turks and Greek Muslims in OTL would be remembered by Greek Christians and Armenians regardless of what happens in Turkey. That's why its ASB-ish
Things do not happen in isolation
If Christians and Muslims both recognize their genocides then yes world would be a much better place
Like France and Germany now are not enemies after centuries of bitter hostility
 

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Edit, to avoid confusion...
POD for these yearly memorial days (whether observed or not)...
Greece – some time after joining NATO in 1952
Armenia – soon after independence

So for this ASB-ish WI lets say some Christian nations memorialize THE ENTIRITY of their history regardless of what Turkey did or didn’t do. All genocides/atrocities committed against Muslims or Turks would be remembered as well as of course genocides/massacres against Christian populations. It would just be part of the general fabric of things, much like VE day in the UK. Most people are aware of it but not many will actively go and lay wreaths and what-not. These memorial days would be on an even smaller scale than that. They would just be there, even if many Greeks and Armenians don't really take much notice of them (note: The potential right of return of peoples and/or reparations would be off the table. These would just be memorial days nothing more).

Here’s what it might look like in a slightly bizarre ATL :

GREECE:

Lasithi Genocide Memorial Day (Crete) – 20th February


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Cretan Genocide Memorial, Lasithi, Crete

This memorial day commemorates the Cretan Genocide where Greek Christians massacred ethnic Greek Muslims hoping to wipe out the population on the island and drive them away. Minor services are held at some churches on the island every year on 20th February and individuals also lay wreaths at the island's genocide memorial and other locations.


Peloponnese Genocide Day (Greece) – 20th August

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Peloponnese Genocide Memorial Tree overlooking Athens, Greece

Although official memorial services are not held, churches in Greece mark the day with a special ringing of bells – to remember and atone for the the Ottoman Turkish civilians that were killed or driven out from their home during the push for Greek independence. This memorial day doesn't get a great deal of attention within much of Greece, but in Thrace with its large Muslim population it does get observed and many laying wreaths or attending memorial services. Special prayers are read at mosques and some churches too, to remember the fallen.

ARMENIA:

Memorial Day for Azeri Armenians – 1st December


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Azeri Memorial Statue, Yerevan

Memorial day for Azeris that were expelled or killed during the years of the first Armenian Republic and later the SSR. Though this day is not marked by many, some Azeris and Armenians lay wreaths at the Azeri Memorial Statue at Yerevan. A few churches also mark the day with a special ringing of bells.


Questions:
  • What would be the effects of such an ASB on our timeline (starting from a POD of 1953 for Greece and 1991 for Armenia)?
  • Would it cause many butterflies?
Oooh!

High quality flame bait! Designed to pick a fight, apparently on religious grounds.

That's a no from me, Dawg.

Sad that your previous Kick didn't provide sufficient feedback that we don't take kindly to flame-baiting hereabouts. Obviously it didn't since you posted this less than 24 ours after the previous kick expired.

I STRONGLY recommend you reconsider your course here.

See ya' in 7

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Oooh!

High quality flame bait! Designed to pick a fight, apparently on religious grounds.

That's a no from me, Dawg.

Sad that your previous Kick didn't provide sufficient feedback that we don't take kindly to flame-baiting hereabouts. Obviously it didn't since you posted this less than 24 ours after the previous kick expired.

I STRONGLY recommend you reconsider your course here.

See ya' in 7

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How was this "flame bait?" There were certainly very many instances of massacres and expulsion of Moslem Balkanites, which is why the region went from having a very large Moslem minority to becoming heavily Christian. Whether or not genocide is the appropriate term -- most Moslem Balkanites were only different from their Christian counterparts in terms of religion -- there was certainly a massive demographic upheaval in the Balkans in the 19th and early 20th centuries, much of it caused by force.
 

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How was this "flame bait?" There were certainly very many instances of massacres and expulsion of Moslem Balkanites, which is why the region went from having a very large Moslem minority to becoming heavily Christian. Whether or not genocide is the appropriate term -- most Moslem Balkanites were only different from their Christian counterparts in terms of religion -- there was certainly a massive demographic upheaval in the Balkans in the 19th and early 20th centuries, much of it caused by force.
How?

It is a blatant, and I mean BLATANT attempt to pick a fight.

Don't get to do that.
 
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