WI:Charles the Bold

two things

1. With a Swiss defeat at Nancy would the Swiss still be powerful players when Marignano roles around in 1515 or would they have halted their expansion.

2. Would Mary of Burgundy still marry the Archduke of Austria? If so would this push Burgundy into closer relations with the Empire?
 
I think Burgundy will ally with Spain and the Hapsburgs.....

Why? Why would Burgundy ally with Spain? Geo politically, it doesn't make much sense. Better to have Mary marry a French Prince, maybe even Charles VIII, to neutralize a French threat. Or are you suggesting that this theoretical Philip would marry Juana of Castile? Wouldn't an English marriage be better?
 
Why? Why would Burgundy ally with Spain? Geo politically, it doesn't make much sense. Better to have Mary marry a French Prince, maybe even Charles VIII, to neutralize a French threat. Or are you suggesting that this theoretical Philip would marry Juana of Castile? Wouldn't an English marriage be better?

Why not? France and Burgundy had poisoned relations since the murder of John the Fearless. Still for pragmatic reasons this can be overcome, however an alliance with the Habsburgs and Trastamaras remains just as plausible. It will depend on previous events.
 
Why not? France and Burgundy had poisoned relations since the murder of John the Fearless. Still for pragmatic reasons this can be overcome, however an alliance with the Habsburgs and Trastamaras remains just as plausible. It will depend on previous events.

But the people of Burgundy still see themselves as French, no matter how bad relations get with the French King, and they still have friends there. Look at all the people who came out to join Charles in his League of the Public Weal.
 
Both things are uncertain, especially the location of colonies, IMHO the only unchanged element is the fact that England is an island nation and Burgundy is a continental one and the latter requires a larger army and thus less funds for a fleet. OTOH Burgundy was quite prosperous and a if Burgundy or more specifically the Low Countries stay united they will be a stronger Power than the OTL Dutch Republic.

Indeed. Imagine the Dutch Republic with the Rhineland's population added to it.
 
Indeed. Imagine the Dutch Republic with the Rhineland's population added to it.

But would the system be centralized enough for the Low Countries and the Rhineland pop to work to together? The Duke of Burgundy according to a book i have been reading does not have the power to impose taxes on the Low Countries only to make requisitions. Any taxation measures have to be passed at the yearly Estates of Flanders meeting in Lille, which was not the most cooperative.


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Charles the Bold by Ruth Putnam
 
But the people of Burgundy still see themselves as French, no matter how bad relations get with the French King, and they still have friends there. Look at all the people who came out to join Charles in his League of the Public Weal.

I think that depends on which part of 'Burgundy' your talking about. That might be true for Burgundy proper, but that wasn't true for their Low Countries possessions and that includes Flanders. And even in Burgundy proper they were Burgundian first and French second, certainly in this era.
Now nobles tended to have possessions in more than 1 realm and for some that meant France and Burgundy.
 
Why? Why would Burgundy ally with Spain? Geo politically, it doesn't make much sense. Better to have Mary marry a French Prince, maybe even Charles VIII, to neutralize a French threat. Or are you suggesting that this theoretical Philip would marry Juana of Castile? Wouldn't an English marriage be better?
I think if Charles the Bold has a son it is likely that Mary of Burgundy marries Richard III...
 
I think you mean nephew, not grandson. And no he won't. The Tudor's still exist, and even if they don't, there's no way the English would accept a foreign monarch. Remember they were notoriously Xenophobic.

They managed to except foreign rulers before. The Tudors originally Welsh themselves.

Phillip would have to have support from some other country for it to be successful, maybe Maximilian would support him.
 
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