WI: Charles II of Navarra wins the Crown Of St-Louis

I recently read and watched the books and the miniseries "The Accursed Kings" and I was wondering if he could have been King of France in the midst of the HYW.

After all, he was by his father (Phillipe III of Navarra) a direct descendant of St Louis and thus a member of the House of Évreux which was a cadet branch of the Capetian dynasty ( the other one was the Valois). By his mother, Joan II of Navarra, he was the grandson of Louis X . In conclusion, he was born of fleur de lys on both side and he had a good claim to the crown !

What could be possible PODs or challenges he could faces in his quest ?

Thank you very much for any help/comments !!!
 
France might be hard, but the duchy of Burgundy could have gone to him by primogeniture, IOTL king John II of France inherited that proximity of the blood.

Unfortunately he won't be able to marry, Margaret, the heiress of the Free County of Burgundy, the counties of Flanders & Artois (early medieval age, part of the same county) and the counties of Nevers and Rethel.
 
France might be hard, but the duchy of Burgundy could have gone to him by primogeniture, IOTL king John II of France inherited that proximity of the blood.

Unfortunately he won't be able to marry, Margaret, the heiress of the Free County of Burgundy, the counties of Flanders & Artois (early medieval age, part of the same county) and the counties of Nevers and Rethel.
I think his son could do that instead, or alternatively have her first husband survive.
 
I think his son could do that instead, or alternatively have her first husband survive.

Well If her first husband, Philip of Rouvres, survives, then Charles II nor king John the Good of France will inherit Burgundy, since Philip was duke of Burgundy.
 
The earliest POD to have Charles II win the crown of France would be for the French nobles to accept his mother, Joan, as Queen of France. Problem is that when her father Louis X the Quareller died in 1316, she was four, there were some suspicions on her legitimacy (not as important as in The Accrused Kings but her mother did commit adultery) and a girl that could have married a foreign prince. She was thus hugely disadvantaged when compared to her uncle Philippe of Poitiers (Philippe V the Tall) who was also a political expert. And even if Joan ascends the throne, there are chances she wouldn't marry her cousin Philippe of Evreux but someone else, which would butterfly Charles II altogether.

A trick would be to have a longer living Louis X that fails to father sons and dies when Joan is regarded as an adult and married to Philippe of Evreux. Another trick would be the survival of Joan's half-brother John the Posthumous long enough for her to mature and her marriage to Philippe of Evreux to happen. But even then, that's a pretty rough sketch.

There are likely a few PODs that could be used in the Hundread Years' War for Charles II to assert his rights but the situation was messy back then and he has two stronger claimants to compete with: the Valois, who are recognised as Kings of France, and England. So it's not going to be easy for him to assert his rights.

A possibility I see would be for John II and his four sons to be killed at Poitiers in 1356 but even then, that's pretty much making England win and Charles II sort of appears as a desperate solution.
 
I think Burgundy will be better off if Philip survived.

I don't know Philip the Bold (son of John the Good and his successor in Burgundy) and his successors IMHO did pretty well.

Regardless how one thinks on this matter; that would be needed in order to make an inheritance in Burgundy possible.

The succession in France will be even harder with the Valois and Plantagenet claimants both being in a stronger position.
 
Hello guys,

What could be other potential brides for him (Charles of Navarra)?
Could Charles the Dauphin surrenders his claim to him in exchange of privileges and a monarchy à l'anglaise be instaured in France.

PS: Is it possible in an AH to have more than one POD ( I am new to this forum and this is going to be my first ever timeline)?
 
manuel said:
Could Charles the Dauphin surrenders his claim to him in exchange of privileges and a monarchy à l'anglaise be instaured in France.
I don't think Charles the Dauphin (future Charles V the Wise) can be forced to surrender his claim on the throne because it is his by right of blood according to Salic Law. The only way for him to lose his throne would be for him to be actually dethroned.

There are many ways however to get a Monarchy "a l'anglaise" and most of them require a serious loss of power on the King's side. A very weakened French monarchy could do the trick.
manuel said:
PS: Is it possible in an AH to have more than one POD ( I am new to this forum and this is going to be my first ever timeline)?
I don't think it is impossible to have multiple PODs. However, most authors on the board are generally content with one.
 
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