WI:Central Powers Victory

As it says on the tin. It has to be a victory and not just a negotiated peace that favours the CP. And don't just say"There is a thread on that, look it up!" Go ahead!
 

katchen

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Britain would have given up in September 1916 according to David Dimbleby if the US hadn't entered the war in early 1916. The British were tapped out. Interesting timeline, the British making a seperate peace even before Brest Litovsk. No Lenin in Russia.
 
Britain has the option of withdrawing the huge BEF from France and concentrating on global empire knowing Germany cannot do anything about it under wartime conditions.

As for CP victory, Germany becomes the 3rd superpower alongside the USA and Russia/USSR.
 
Germany might be able to dismantle France in the same way it was at Versailles but under no circumstance will they enforce such terms on Britain. France would have this abandoned complex and would probably be very revanchist. AH is probably going to collapse in on itself at some point, it was basically a ticking time bomb of ethnic tension. Germany isn't going to let Russia be strong, (it will probably neuter the USSR and keep a Puppet Tsar or Republic going). Russia's western states are going to be carved off it. Probably looking at a German Congo, annexation of Luxembourg is usually popular. It will lose it's Pacific possessions to Australia and the like. Ect etc etc I think we've been over this quite a bit...
 
Britain would have given up in September 1916 according to David Dimbleby if the US hadn't entered the war in early 1916. The British were tapped out. Interesting timeline, the British making a seperate peace even before Brest Litovsk. No Lenin in Russia.

I think the commonly accepted time is more in 1917; AFAIK, even in September 1916, there had been some turning of public opinion in America against Germany, but this was before the Zimmerman telegram, and the resumption of USW. Britain, most importantly still had assets in America to use as security against loans, so the British could still draw war critical loans from the US without needing to enlist significant US support, as they did later, in 1917. Even the, the result would have been a more slow collapse, as the UK economy gradually fell apart, than a sudden giving up. Basically, September 1916 is a mite too early.
 
How would Germany neuter Russia? I can see large chunks of Russian Empire being carved off and entering German orbit, in a major victory this might even include the Ukraine. But there will still be vast economic areas well out of reach of CP forces that the Soviet will be able to develop.
 
France is going to collapse, second defeat in a war against Germany, already politically unstable after 1871 (weren't there a few coup attempts), and a particularly strong socialist movement.

Germany sets puppets in Belgium, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. and shifts the balance of power decisively in his favour. Also sets up a DMZ zone in France, and demands French colonies perhaps.

What would be a suitable punishment for traitor Italy? Venice for Austria?
 

The Sandman

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France is going to collapse, second defeat in a war against Germany, already politically unstable after 1871 (weren't there a few coup attempts), and a particularly strong socialist movement.

Germany sets puppets in Belgium, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. and shifts the balance of power decisively in his favour. Also sets up a DMZ zone in France, and demands French colonies perhaps.

What would be a suitable punishment for traitor Italy? Venice for Austria?

Libya and the Aegean islands back to the Ottomans, for starters.

Probably some border adjustments in A-H's favor, but nothing too major (the last thing the Austrians want is more Italians to deal with).

Maybe the Eritrean and Somali colonies to Germany?

Crippling indemnities, of course. The navy gets divided up between Austria, the Ottomans and Bulgaria. Maybe "leases" on naval facilities for the Germans?
 
Germany might be able to dismantle France in the same way it was at Versailles but under no circumstance will they enforce such terms on Britain. France would have this abandoned complex and would probably be very revanchist.

France may be revanchist, but it will also be traumatized by the wartime losses and very conscious of its weakness. I'd expect France to remain neutral in most timelines, unless Germany gets into a war and starts clearly losing.

Germany sets puppets in Belgium, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, etc. and shifts the balance of power decisively in his favour.

Not necessarily all of them, Brest-Litovsk borders were neither the original goal of Germany nor are they some universally mandated constraint for CP victories. It could be just Poland if Russia plays its cards right.
 
Britain would have given up in September 1916 according to David Dimbleby if the US hadn't entered the war in early 1916. The British were tapped out. Interesting timeline, the British making a seperate peace even before Brest Litovsk. No Lenin in Russia.

You mean 1917? Anyway, I tend to doubt that claim.
 
Britain has the option of withdrawing the huge BEF from France and concentrating on global empire knowing Germany cannot do anything about it under wartime conditions.

As for CP victory, Germany becomes the 3rd superpower alongside the USA and Russia/USSR.

In such a TL, it would be highly unlikely the USSR ever reaches superpower status and perhaps not America anyway. Sorry, all you pro- Americans on this board.
 
In such a TL, it would be highly unlikely the USSR ever reaches superpower status and perhaps not America anyway. Sorry, all you pro- Americans on this board.

How so when 'superpower' is a deterministic thing? i.e. When a country is a certain size and population and has a certain level of industrialisation and resource self-sufficiency it pretty much automatically becomes a superpower.

In WW1 the US already was the largest economy in the world with by far the greatest industrial output, it also had the 3rd largest navy in the world and mobilised a million man army for field service in 18 months from early 1917, it was already a superpower. The Russians were modernising fast prior to WW1, in war potential they were 4th in the world behind the US, Germany and Britain but well above France and Austria-Hungary. After the war their vast natural resources allowed them to undertake a forced modernisation that made them an industrial match for Germany prior to WW2 and a superpower in the 50s.
 
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