WI Celtic lands remain backwards

What if for some reason or another Celtic areas remain backwards compared to the rest of western Europe?

What if Ireland gets into a demographic trap in the industrial age?
 
Isn't this OTL?

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Ireland was very poor until the 1970s or so.

As for the demographic trap, that's basically what Ireland went through before the Potato Famine. Afterwards, there were plenty of places for the surplus population to go, so they mostly left.
 
How would Irish immigrants in the rest of Europe be thought of as compared to Eastern European or North African immigrants?
 
Backwards is a dodgy word but yeah, Ireland definitely was one of the poorer places in Europe until very recently and the Scottish Highlands and Wales have always been amongst the poorest places in the UK.
Depends how you're defining Europe though, though they were poor by western european standards they were better off than many more eastern places.
 
Maybe if a Ireland was kept part of the British empire by force, and then in the 30's Oswald Mosley or some other Nazi-esque cunts come into power. Nutty racist fucks have tended to identify Celts as an inferior race to "Germanics", and if unrest in Ireland is ongoing and I could see the fascist's actively discriminating against the Irish in a fashion not much better then apartheid. They might give the Celtic Scots, Welsh and Cornish a pass, or not, depending on how much ideological consistency gives way to political pragmatism.

Assuming that ideology triumphs, then all the Celtic minority areas in the British Isles could be pretty screwed as of today.
 
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Maybe if a Ireland was kept part of the British empire by force, and then in the 30's Oswald Mosley or some other Nazi-esque cunts come into power. Nutty racist fucks have tended to identify Celts as an inferior race to "Germanics", and if unrest in Ireland is ongoing and I could see the fascist's actively discriminating against the Irish in a fashion not much better then apartheid. They might give the Celtic Scots, Welsh and Cornish a pass, or not, depending on how much ideological consistency gives way to political pragmatism.

Assuming that ideology triumphs, then all the Celtic minority areas in the British Isles could be pretty screwed as of today.

The first line is where things go wrong. Britain probably gets stuck in a geurilla/civil war for the first half of the 1920s, then pulls out the troops because it's just not worth it.

Actually, we're talking about just after WWI here, so it's unlikely that a war-weary nation will sanction even that either.
 
I'd think with a fascist Europe that Ireland would probally be one of the better off parts of the continent- its regime would be one of the first to fall and for the country to find itself under the American umbrella.
 
If you consider Brittany as being Cetic, which it is, then it was backward in comparison with the rest of France well until th 70s or so, probably even later, and was considered as backward (with its specific culture and or at technical level) by the rest of the country, as if their was France on one side and Brittany on the other. You could lmost say that for everything in France you could trace a line, and Brittany was always on the downside. But nowadays the place do pretty well : one of the first place for tourism, pretty good in agricol activity, some hightech entreprises being placed there (mostly at Rennes and Nantes, if you consider Nantes as being part of Brittany. By the admnistrative division it isn't, but hey), there's also important military bases such as Brest, which contain the SNLE, the french nuclear-powered and -missile launcher submarine (And given the location would still be there unless a POD prior to the mid-17th century). But it could I think easily remain backwrd given a god POD.

Don't know about Galicia (the Spanish one). It is sometimes considered as Celtic, and is part of the Celtic nation, but I don't know if it is backward in comarison with Western European standard as a whole, or even with spanish standard.
 
Parts of Ireland, particularly the west were pretty backwards if that's how you put it and still are pretty poor e.g. I heard of someone doing medicine in dublin in the 1960s they were told that they could either go to a third world country to do a placement or go to Erris in county Mayo. If you want Ireland to be worse off have the potato famine even worse or no resistance whatsoever through the 1800s.
 
If you consider Brittany as being Cetic, which it is, then it was backward in comparison with the rest of France well until th 70s or so, probably even later, and was considered as backward (with its specific culture and or at technical level) by the rest of the country, as if their was France on one side and Brittany on the other. You could lmost say that for everything in France you could trace a line, and Brittany was always on the downside. But nowadays the place do pretty well : one of the first place for tourism, pretty good in agricol activity, some hightech entreprises being placed there (mostly at Rennes and Nantes, if you consider Nantes as being part of Brittany. By the admnistrative division it isn't, but hey), there's also important military bases such as Brest, which contain the SNLE, the french nuclear-powered and -missile launcher submarine (And given the location would still be there unless a POD prior to the mid-17th century). But it could I think easily remain backwrd given a god POD.

Aye, Bretagne is Celtic - the ancestors of bretons are brithanic celtic like welshes who conquered Armorica, assimilating the locals (there is I was told suppositions recently that Gaulish (continental celtic) also may have survived longer there, and left a discrete mark on the insular celtic language), somewhere around the final fall of western roman empire.
 
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Brittany wasn't always backward either. Particularly at the end of the Middle Age and beyond (circa 1400s to 1580) where it was one of the richest province of France, the most populated one (nearly 1/10 french lived there) and a crossroad between Spain/the mediterannean area and the British Isles, the United Provinces, and the Baltic Area. You can even say there was a "golden age" until 1660. After that everything doesn't get really good, unless in some cities as Brest, Lorient, Saint-Malo and Nantes, that remain quite prosperous, but which the province doesn't really benefit from.
 
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