WI Caucasians crossed the Bering Land Bridge

Fair enough. And to be fair, there definitely is evidence for many ancient Indo-Europeans looking Nordic. Between the modern-day Kalasha, the genetic findings in the Andronovo culture (many looking similar to modern-day Europeans), and the links between Vedic literature and the rituals of the Andronovo/Sintashta culture, there is certainly some evidence that many Indo-Europeans would be "white" in the modern sense. So I get where you are coming from, my only point of contention was that this is such a murky period in history that drawing solid conclusions is very difficult (for a variety of reasons).

In the past, I've reacted negatively to this view since many white nationalists use it to co-opt and appropriate Indian/Iranian heritage. While those arguments are obviously unsound, that doesn't change the fact that there likely were many Indo-European tribes who had Nordic features (though of course there were many that did not fit neatly into any category at all).

FWIW I think this is a fascinating subject and deserves to be discussed more.
 

Albert.Nik

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Andronavo had around 60% of its people with light eyes and hair like today's Central and Northern Europeans. My estimate is that the Andronavo people might have looked like the todays Balto-Slavs. Please move the discussion anyway or come into PM as this thread is totally unrelated to Indo-Iranians.
 
@Caligo you may be interested to know that Ancient North Eurasian people contributed to the peopling of Europe and the Americas. The ANE are ancestors of the pastoralist Yamnaya, and when they came further into Europe they were preceded by a plague of disease that preneolithic Europeans lacked immunity to. Sad, but ironic.

They were one of the ancestors of Eastern European Hunter Gatherers (EHG). In turn, the EHG were one of the ancestoral groups of the Yamnaya.
 

Albert.Nik

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Okay,okay. Let's leave the jokes aside and speculate about the ways these Natives could look and develop themselves. As we discussed,we have in this ATL, groups from Western Eurasia who are Proto-Caucasians who migrated in groups who brought animal groups also with them and arrived far more earlier compared to OTL Natives as we discussed. Far fetched but not impossible

The ones from North Canada to the Montana/Oregon could look like Northern or Central European and in that range. Region is huge and there could be a lot of them. People in regions till Mexico border could look Southern European. People from Mexico to parts of Brazil could look like Arabs,North Africans,Iranians,Tajiks,etc with minorities of lighter or darker populations. From Southern Brazil/Peru region and Southwards,the gradient of lightness increases once again as we head towards Argentina/Chile. You could have convergent evolution with the people of OTL Europe and not only that,people in the North and South regions could also go through convergent evolution to look like each other. But this needs a significantly early POD than OTL migration but not to say it's impossible.
 
Okay,okay. Let's leave the jokes aside and speculate about the ways these Natives could look and develop themselves. As we discussed,we have in this ATL, groups from Western Eurasia who are Proto-Caucasians who migrated in groups who brought animal groups also with them and arrived far more earlier compared to OTL Natives as we discussed. Far fetched but not impossible

The ones from North Canada to the Montana/Oregon could look like Northern or Central European and in that range. Region is huge and there could be a lot of them. People in regions till Mexico border could look Southern European. People from Mexico to parts of Brazil could look like Arabs,North Africans,Iranians,Tajiks,etc with minorities of lighter or darker populations. From Southern Brazil/Peru region and Southwards,the gradient of lightness increases once again as we head towards Argentina/Chile. You could have convergent evolution with the people of OTL Europe and not only that,people in the North and South regions could also go through convergent evolution to look like each other. But this needs a significantly early POD than OTL migration but not to say it's impossible.

It's not impossible in the same way that Sealion isn't impossible, but it's up there. The Americas were settled over tens of thousands of years by separate groups of people from Northeast Asia. Nothing else explains the physical and linguistic diversity. So odds are that a "white" migration will only settle certain parts to begin with and many will get displaced/assimilated/destroyed by later migration waves because their tools are inferior, their cultural practices (hunting, land management, etc.) are inferior for survival in a certain place at a certain time, etc. The patchwork of languages and even physical types in much of North America is illustrative of this.
 
It's not impossible in the same way that Sealion isn't impossible, but it's up there. The Americas were settled over tens of thousands of years by separate groups of people from Northeast Asia. Nothing else explains the physical and linguistic diversity. So odds are that a "white" migration will only settle certain parts to begin with and many will get displaced/assimilated/destroyed by later migration waves because their tools are inferior, their cultural practices (hunting, land management, etc.) are inferior for survival in a certain place at a certain time, etc. The patchwork of languages and even physical types in much of North America is illustrative of this.

I thought Caucasians didn’t become “white” until 7-8,000 years ago, well after the Bering migrations.
 

Albert.Nik

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I thought Caucasians didn’t become “white” until 7-8,000 years ago, well after the Bering migrations.
That's what I meant exactly. I meant a group of Ancestors of OTL White Europeans with similar diet,if they migrate into Americas somehow and settle in lands with climate similar to North and Eastern Europe(Where White Europeans appeared first) in larger numbers somehow,they could evolve to look similar through convergent evolution.
 
That's what I meant exactly. I meant a group of Ancestors of OTL White Europeans with similar diet,if they migrate into Americas somehow and settle in lands with climate similar to North and Eastern Europe(Where White Europeans appeared first) in larger numbers somehow,they could evolve to look similar through convergent evolution.

At the same time? The Americas is hardly similar in climate to Europe. While there are parts that are similar, historically the population was centered in Mesoamerica which is entirely different. These Caucasians might remain dark skined and perhaps more similar to South Indians in appearance.
 

Albert.Nik

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At the same time? The Americas is hardly similar in climate to Europe. While there are parts that are similar, historically the population was centered in Mesoamerica which is entirely different. These Caucasians might remain dark skined and perhaps more similar to South Indians in appearance.
No. Follow my previous posts. I said in this POD,we will have a larger numbers of ancestors of OTL Europeans whod go into Americas and would settle all over North American plains and forests where climate is comparable to Europe. Then,you could have some migrate southward crossing the deserts to begin and build Empires in OTL Yucatan,etc. Those who migrate southward from here too and settle in regions South of Brazil would also have similar climates in some or most pockets. The ones in the Mesoamerican Empires would look something like Italians and Iranians with immigrants from Northern Empires,tanning and settled lifestyle without exposure of body to too much sun.
 

Albert.Nik

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With larger and more continious terrains,more people moving earlier than OTL,the diet as I described,earlier beginning of civilization in the North and all the immigration into each other's lands,in my estimate,the people of Central Americas in the Mayan and Incan empires would look somewhat like her as in this video and so would many in the other parts of Americas in the Center while the ones on the Northern and Southern regions could look Central or Northern European.

 
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