What if Cathars are in the low countries not on Occitania, what will happen to the dutch.
1) There are a link between cathars and bogomils, that didn't exist in Low Countries at this era. An alternate christianity sect here would be different both theologicaly and institutionally.
2)The catharism was quite supported by nobilty and urban bourgeoisie, not really by the people (only between 1/3 and 1/2 of the total population in the pyrenean zone, the heaviliest cathar region). You need to have an alliance between upper nobility and urban bourgeoisie (that's called patricianism), and critically in double cities (like Tolosa, with a political center in the county "city" and an economical center). It aslo need a real political freedom for cities with important nobilty.
3)It needs to be in a zone who avoid centralized power and rather nominally vassal from an important kingdom
4)Finally you need to have a mportant church lands, power associated with undogmatic abuses from local clergy.
5)A relative tolerent medieval society is needed.
I d'ont think that Low Countries would match all this without an earlier POD
The POD is anytime between 9th to 13th century actually..
What if there is a heretic movement in the low countries at that time?, how will france react?
Interesting proposition, but for that, i beg to differ.b) politically segmented than Languedoc.
Interesting map. "Al debut" - is that Catalan?
Taking into account that Raimond is himself a vassal to the King of France, this supports my point, as this makes all dark and light green areas one state (in approximation of the first degree). The Low Countries consisted of several such.
And prior the middle of XII, all the region was de facto independent of France or Aragon.
I actually use the Catalan of the google translate to translate Occitan texts in blogs.Interesting map. "Al debut" - is that Catalan?
Taking into account that Raimond is himself a vassal to the King of France, this supports my point, as this makes all dark and light green areas one state (in approximation of the first degree). The Low Countries consisted of several such.
In particular, they also contained quite some significant clerical possessions, like the bishoprics of Utrecht and Lüttich. Btw, there is no clear definition or border of "Low Countries" at this time, so it makes sense to consider also the neighboring areas, i.e. around Cologne and Westphalia. And remember that Cologne is the biggest city in Germany at this time ...
Only the parts that are ever in nominal french suzerainty, i would say. If by France, you mean the royal domain. But, indeed, an post-crusade French Flanders is interesting, and may butterfly many things in the Thousand Years War.Could after the Low Countries Crusade, the Low Countries become a part of France?