If the britiah learn all the wrong lesson from revolutionary war
I mean that when they start asking for more rights they try to exert more authority
After the rev war or maybe the extend twh polices that they had with the 13 colonies to QuebecOk but then that means greater military presence to enforce that authority. When does this happen?
But the issue is that their Hands off agreement with Quebec french elites and Catholic Church has prevented them joining the revolution so why they change that?After the rev war or maybe the extend twh polices that they had with the 13 colonies to Quebec
Why? Parliament may be stubborn but they're not stupid. Besides the ARW wasn't a simple case of "Britain is a meanie".After the rev war or maybe the extend twh polices that they had with the 13 colonies to Quebec
This is not an "alternate history challenge", it is a "what if", yet, it's not an unreasonable request. Most of the posters in this thread are in agreement that the matter at this junction of time is very difficult and unlikely, but here are some of the least unlikely issues that could arise:So let’s discuss exactly what happen and what the butterflies will be.
This is not an "alternate history challenge", it is a "what if", yet, it's not an unreasonable request. Most of the posters in this thread are in agreement that the matter at this junction of time is very difficult and unlikely, but here are some of the least unlikely issues that could arise:
If the United Empire Loyalists, and Yankee Planters would be exorbitantly taxed for the Revolution. If the Canadiens were given an oppressive colonial administration that sought to suppress their culture, and assimilate them into British ways (especially in light of the French Revolution). If large numbers of disaffected Irish rebels were exiled to tracts of Canadian land. If the Highland Clearances were conducted more ruthlessly, and Scottish people were resettled in tracts of Canadian land. If, in fear of republicanism, all democratic traditions were eliminated, and in fear of colonial uprising, common law and trial by jury were replaced by dictatorial colonial codes.
Agreed.While Of all your things the one I find hardest is the attempting to assimilate French Canadians.
If any of these things did happen then that would of changed the makeup and administrative of the BNA colonies. There would of also been a greater British military presence in BNA. That would of changed the military outlook and battles.
The British might of defeated the American milia armies but lost the colonies to revolt. But the window in which the British are occupied in Europe is also small, unless we also extending the napoleonic wars.
While Of all your things the one I find hardest is the attempting to assimilate French Canadians.
Yes but with a larger British military in BNA would the war hawks in congress still advocate war against Britain?That could actually justify a vicious cycle-- Britain does worse in the napoleonic wars, so it exploits it colonies more, so to quell unrest it has to send troops to canada, causing it to do worse in the napoleonic wars, etc. But assuming Britain still wants to win the napoleonic wars, there's obviously some limit to how many resources it can dedicate to keeping the canadians in line. So maybe there are two concurrent rebellions-- the british canadians want independence, and possibly unification with the US, while the french canadians want independence, and possibly unification with France.
That could actually justify a vicious cycle-- Britain does worse in the napoleonic wars, so it exploits it colonies more, so to quell unrest it has to send troops to canada, causing it to do worse in the napoleonic wars, etc. But assuming Britain still wants to win the napoleonic wars, there's obviously some limit to how many resources it can dedicate to keeping the canadians in line. So maybe there are two concurrent rebellions-- the british canadians want independence, and possibly unification with the US, while the french canadians want independence, and possibly unification with France.
More so I think. I don't think you can overstate how headstrong the Congress was at this point...Yes but with a larger British military in BNA would the war hawks in congress still advocate war against Britain?
Well then they get their asses kicked even more.More so I think. I don't think you can overstate how headstrong the Congress was at this point...
Except the population of Canada supports America in this discussion. This leads to a larger domestic support which plagued the early war effort. So the British troops get seized up quite handily in guerrilla warfare I would imagine.Well then they get their asses kicked even more.
There may be disturbances and few attacks but nothing concrete. You need to remember what foces US sent into Canada. That not going to change. Poorly led and ill equipped state militia. Up against much larger British army. While some American wank supporters are all hollering that USA going to win my $$ still on New York State militais being soundly defeated and wiped out.Except the population of Canada supports America in this discussion. This leads to a larger domestic support which plagued the early war effort. So the British troops get seized up quite handily in guerrilla warfare I would imagine.
It won't be a problem. Esprit de crops will be much improved, many thousands of patriotic militiamen will flock to the cause of Canadian Freedom compared to the unjust OTL War. When the Canadiens and Canadians join their Yankee liberators as loyal Americans, it will go much easier, and even if the British occupiers march too far afield, they'll be swamped in a repeat of Saratoga. Probably worse even for the British at that point.There may be disturbances and few attacks but nothing concrete. You need to remember what foces US sent into Canada. That not going to change. Poorly led and ill equipped state militia. Up against much larger British army. While some American wank supporters are all hollering that USA going to win my $$ still on New York State militais being soundly defeated and wiped out.
I guess that is from an ASB AMERICAB WANK. Why would French want to be part of the USA and why the Canadian want to be part of the USA.It won't be a problem. Esprit de crops will be much improved, many thousands of patriotic militiamen will flock to the cause of Canadian Freedom compared to the unjust OTL War. When the Canadiens and Canadians join their Yankee liberators as loyal Americans, it will go much easier, and even if the British occupiers march too far afield, they'll be swamped in a repeat of Saratoga. Probably worse even for the British at that point.