WI Canada retains CV capability?
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Actually, we only lost a second Tomcat over the years (the original order was around 79 aircraft. But based on the numbers, it looks like a possible 2 hornets and a corsair were lost on the Eagle during the fire.
I work with folks from where many of the south of 60 ranger patrols are from and it's true that the formal structure of the army is not for many of the locals due to a combination of education, culture and family ties. All that being said the respect for those in uniform is extremely high...
If increased funding allowed for higher patrol frequency and/or high numbers of patrols then you've just expanded the presence of Canadian troops significantly. The one advantage you do have recruiting is that as the Ranger patrols are local you are able to recruit in many communities that close to 100% unemployment, wish to remain in the area, and have no issues with seasonal/sporadic employment as it meshes well with the desire to remain close to the family/traditional lands.
The amazing thing is how many former members are around to form a cadre upon...at least south of 60 and north of the existing reserve/reg force units. With the higher profile of the armed forces then this is at least more attractive than OTL situation.
In regards with total numbers in the Armed Forces IIRC we were down to less than 60,000 permanent members in the mid 90's...adding a couple of battalions from different regiments along with some extra sailors still puts us a long ways away from where the total numbers were in the 1960's.
Although the stress upon the Armed Forces with the expansion is high and combined with a few notable deployments in this timeline I would think that the lack of base and training facilities, increased recruitment and a higher awareness/number of applicants to join up should allow for a gradual increase that is plausable.
I'm envisioning the Canadian Forces being about 140,000 men total on active duty. About 45,000 in the MARCOM (including Marines, which will be ~5000 strong), 25,000 in the Air Command and 70,000 in the Army (the Army including the Rangers, which number 10,000-12,000), plus 40-50,000 reserves. Both numbers are about double that of OTL.
There are five active Infantry Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Regiment (based in London, Ontario)
- The Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (based in Edmonton, Alberta)
- The 22nd Regiment (or Van Doos, as they are frequently called, based in Quebec City, Quebec)
- The Royal Highland Regiment (frequently known as the Black Watch, based in Kelowna, BC after its reactivation)
- Les Voltigeurs de Quebec (based in Quebec City)
In addition to this is the Marines (which are technically part of MARCOM, similar to how the USMC reports to the Secretary of the Navy) and the Canadian SAS, which will be a battalion sized unit, roughly 800 men. After Nunavut comes around, I'm planning on adding a Canadian Inuit Battalion to the active duty units. The Rangers are active across all provinces and territories, and here they have much greater size than in OTL, though much of this size is in the North, with most of their units operating in the Yukon, NWT and Nunavut, as well as in the northern Prairie provinces, Northern Ontario and Quebec and Labrador. The SAS will probably be based in British Columbia, I haven't decided that yet.
There are also five active Armored Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Dragoons (based in Petawawa, Ontario, northwest of Ottawa)
- Lord Strathcona's Horse (based in Calgary, Alberta)
- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada (based in Quebec City, Quebec)
- 8th Canadian Hussars (based in Moncton, New Brunswick)
- The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (based in Oshawa, Ontario)
The Maritime Command is primarily based out of CFB Halifax and CFB Shearwater on the East Coast (Shearwater keeps its runways, for starters) and based out of CFB Esquimault on the West Coast. The Amphib group will be based at Halifax, simply because the primarily base for the Marines is in Ontario, though Shearwater will also be one of their bases. The Carrier Group will alternate between the two home ports. The sub fleet will primarily be based out of a base in the North, probably on Baffin Island. (Iqaluit, maybe.)
Changing Demographics and population centers mean that the Black Watch, which had no troops assigned to it after 1970 until its reactivated, will be moving to British Columbia. As the majority of the Canadian population is in four provinces - Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and British Columbia - the majority of the Forces will be there. With the much higher profile of the forces, and since the cuts of the 1990s haven't happened and the profile of the forces after Rwanda is quite high, I would imagine that the Forces will be much better representing the population of the nation, particularly for the regiments based in the Toronto area. (The Royal Canadian Regiment and the Ontario Armored Regiment will in particular be the most changed ones, simply due to the local population.)
There are five active Infantry Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Regiment (based in London, Ontario)
- The Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (based in Edmonton, Alberta)
- The 22nd Regiment (or Van Doos, as they are frequently called, based in Quebec City, Quebec)
- The Royal Highland Regiment (frequently known as the Black Watch, based in Kelowna, BC after its reactivation)
- Les Voltigeurs de Quebec (based in Quebec City)
In addition to this is the Marines (which are technically part of MARCOM, similar to how the USMC reports to the Secretary of the Navy) and the Canadian SAS, which will be a battalion sized unit, roughly 800 men. After Nunavut comes around, I'm planning on adding a Canadian Inuit Battalion to the active duty units. The Rangers are active across all provinces and territories, and here they have much greater size than in OTL, though much of this size is in the North, with most of their units operating in the Yukon, NWT and Nunavut, as well as in the northern Prairie provinces, Northern Ontario and Quebec and Labrador. The SAS will probably be based in British Columbia, I haven't decided that yet.
There are also five active Armored Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Dragoons (based in Petawawa, Ontario, northwest of Ottawa)
- Lord Strathcona's Horse (based in Calgary, Alberta)
- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada (based in Quebec City, Quebec)
- 8th Canadian Hussars (based in Moncton, New Brunswick)
- The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (based in Oshawa, Ontario)
The Maritime Command is primarily based out of CFB Halifax and CFB Shearwater on the East Coast (Shearwater keeps its runways, for starters) and based out of CFB Esquimault on the West Coast. The Amphib group will be based at Halifax, simply because the primarily base for the Marines is in Ontario, though Shearwater will also be one of their bases. The Carrier Group will alternate between the two home ports. The sub fleet will primarily be based out of a base in the North, probably on Baffin Island. (Iqaluit, maybe.)
Changing Demographics and population centers mean that the Black Watch, which had no troops assigned to it after 1970 until its reactivated, will be moving to British Columbia. As the majority of the Canadian population is in four provinces - Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and British Columbia - the majority of the Forces will be there. With the much higher profile of the forces, and since the cuts of the 1990s haven't happened and the profile of the forces after Rwanda is quite high, I would imagine that the Forces will be much better representing the population of the nation, particularly for the regiments based in the Toronto area. (The Royal Canadian Regiment and the Ontario Armored Regiment will in particular be the most changed ones, simply due to the local population.)
I knew was somebody was gonna look up my previous posts about Canuck Tomcats and bring that idea forward......let's just say I AM thinking about it.
Just for Christmas, and as a little teaser of what is to come, I present the January 1, 2010, Canadian Forces.
The 2010 Canadian Forces
Overall Active Personnel: 131,400
Reserve Personnel: 70,000
Budget: C$ 50.8 Billion (2.7% of GDP)
Maritime Command
Active Bases: 7 (Halifax, Kingston, Shearwater, Esquimault, Iqaluit, Sturgeon Lake, Moosonee)
Active Vessels: 54
Aircraft Strength: 162 fixed-wing, 106 helicopters, 6 UAVs
Active Personnel: 53,700 (including 4,500 Marines)
Reserve Personnel: 5,000
Vessels
Warrior-class (Modified Forrestal class) Aircraft Carrier (1)
HMCS Warrior (CV 24)
Terra Nova-class (Modified Algol class) Fast Sealift Ship (1)
HMCS Terra Nova (AKR 1)
Bluenose-class (Albion class) Landing Platform Dock (2)
HMCS Bluenose (LPD 1)
HMCS Challenge (LPD 2)
Ontario-class (Kidd class) Missile Destroyer (4)
HMCS Ontario (DDG 284)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 285)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 286)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 287)
Manitoba-class (Type 42) Missile Destroyer (2)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 288)
HMCS Newfoundland (DDG 289)
Iroquois-class Helicopter Destroyer (4)
HMCS Iroquois (DDH 280)
HMCS Huron (DDH 281)
HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282)
HMCS Algonquin (DDH 283)
Halifax-class Patrol Frigate (14)
HMCS Halifax (FFH 330)
HMCS Vancouver (FFH 331)
HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH 332)
HMCS Toronto (FFH 333)
HMCS Regina (FFH 334)
HMCS Calgary (FFH 335)
HMCS Montreal (FFH 336)
HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337)
HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
HMCS St. Johns (FFH 340)
HMCS Ottawa (FFH 341)
HMCS Edmonton (FFH 342)
HMCS Kelowna (FFH 343)
Superior-class (Modified Trafalgar class) nuclear attack submarines (3)
HMCS Superior (SSN 876)
HMCS Lake Huron (SSN 877)
HMCS Athabaska (SSN 878)
Victoria-class (Modified Upholder class) conventional attack submarines (5)
HMCS Victoria (SSK 879)
HMCS Windsor (SSK 880)
HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 881)
HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 882)
HMCS Swift Current (SSK 883)
Kingston-class Multimission Vessel (12)
HMCS Kingston (MMV 700)
HMCS Namaimo (MMV 701)
HMCS Glace Bay (MMV 702)
HMCS Oshawa (MMV 703)
HMCS Shawinigan (MMV 704)
HMCS Whitehorse (MMV 705)
HMCS Yellowknife (MMV 706)
HMCS Goose Bay (MMV 707)
HMCS Moncton (MMV 708)
HMCS Saskatoon (MMV 709)
HMCS Brandon (MMV 710)
HMCS Summerside (MMV 711)
Rocky Mountain-class Replenishment Vessel (5)
HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR 511)
HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR 512)
HMCS Lake Louise (AOR 513)
HMCS Bonaventure (AOR 514)
HMCS Baffin Island (AOR 515)
Arctica-class Submarine Tender (1)
HMCS Arctica (AS 1)
Maritime Command Fleet Air Wing
26 CF-184C Super Tomcat (multi-role fighter)
41 CF-188A/B Hornet (multi-role fighter)
28 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
19 CF-186 Tornado (attack)
16 CP-175 Viking (carrier-borne ASW)
7 CE-2C Hawkeye (carrier-based AEW)
25 CP-140 Aurora (maritime patrol)
48 CH-148 Cyclone (ASW helicopter)
16 CH-149 Comorant (SAR helicopter)
10 CH-147C Chinook (Heavy-lift helicopter)
32 CH-146 Griffon (Utility helicopter)
6 CU-164 Arctic Hawk (long-range UAV)
Canadian Forces Air Command
Active Bases: 13 (Kingston, Toronto, Bagotville, Cold Lake, Goose Bay, Ottawa, Trenton, Gander, Greenwood, Winnipeg, Comox, North Bay, Iqaluit)
Aircraft Strength: 282 fixed-wing, 135 helicopters
Active Personnel: 32,900
Reserve Personnel: 11,000
Active Aircraft
66 CF-184C Tomcat (air defense)
90 CF-188 Hornet (multi-role fighter)
47 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
6 CE-150AEW Polaris Vision (airborne early warning aircraft)
5 CC-177 Globemaster III (strategic airlifter)
7 CC-160 Arcturus (aerial refueling tanker)
4 CC-150 Polaris (aerial refueling tanker/tactical transporter)
21 CC-176 Airmaster (tactical transporter)
10 CC-130H Hercules (tactical transporter)
5 CC-144 Challenger 600 (transport/VIP aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter (transport aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter SAR (search and rescue)
5 CC-132 Dash-7 (STOL transport aircraft)
2 CC-180 Commander (VIP aircraft)
18 CH-147C Chinook (heavy lift/transport helicopter)
84 CH-146 Griffon (utility helicopter, 24 modified with more powerful engines and 20mm guns for escort duties)
33 CH-136D Kiowa Warrior (reconaissance helicopter)
Land Force Command
Operational Regiments: 13
Reserve Regiments: 46
Active Manpower: 44,800
Reserve Personnel: 54,000
Armor Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Dragoons
- Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada
- 8th Canadian Hussars
- Ontario Regiment (RCAC)
Infantry Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Regiment
- The Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
- The 22nd Regiment
- The Royal Highland Regiment
- Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
- Nunavut Defense Battalion
Special Elements:
- Canadian Airborne Regiment
- Canadian Special Air Service
- Canadian Rangers
Equipment
230 Leopard 2A6 (main battle tank)
127 Leopard C2 (main battle tank, assigned to reserve units)
140 M2 Bradley (infantry fighting vehicle)
55 Rooikat 105 (infantry support vehicle, donated by South Africa in 1998)
754 LAV III (armored personnel carrier, many variants)
55 AAV-7A1 (amphibious assault carrier)
560 M113/MTVL (armored personnel carrier)
183 Grizzly AVGP (used as artillery tractors and repair team vehicles)
195 Bison AVGP (used as ambulances, mortar vehicles and electronic warfare jammers)
10 ARV 3 M Buffalo (armored recovery vehicle)
16 ARV Taurus (armored recovery vehicle)
27 Husky AVGP (armored recovery vehicle)
16 AVLB Beaver (bridge-laying vehicle)
9 AEV Badger (armored engineering vehicle)
325 RG-31 Nyala (mine-protected vehicle)
32 Buffalo A2 (mine-protected vehicle)
8 Aardvark JFSU Mark 4 (mine-cleaning vehicle)
66 M113 ADATS (short-range air defense/anti-tank vehicles)
95 M109A6 Paladin (self-propelled artillery)
44 M777 (lightweight field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
59 LG1 105mm (lightweight towed field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
1,745 HVLW (heavy truck, based on Steyr 1491 Percheron)
710 TTVLW (tractor-trailer heavy vehicle, 710 tractors + 2,840 trailers, trailers designed for specially-designed 20-foot or 40-foot containers)
2,557 7000-MV MLVW (medium truck, based on Navistar International 7000MV, built 2006-2009)
3,484 LSVW (light truck, based on GMC Topkick, built 2001-2004 by GM Canada)
1,780 G-Wagen (light utility vehicle)
4,482 MILCOTS Chevrolet Silverado (light utility vehicle)
223 Bandvagn 206 (78 built in Sweden, others license-produced in Canada)
The 2010 Canadian Forces
Overall Active Personnel: 131,400
Reserve Personnel: 70,000
Budget: C$ 50.8 Billion (2.7% of GDP)
Maritime Command
Active Bases: 7 (Halifax, Kingston, Shearwater, Esquimault, Iqaluit, Sturgeon Lake, Moosonee)
Active Vessels: 54
Aircraft Strength: 162 fixed-wing, 106 helicopters, 6 UAVs
Active Personnel: 53,700 (including 4,500 Marines)
Reserve Personnel: 5,000
Vessels
Warrior-class (Modified Forrestal class) Aircraft Carrier (1)
HMCS Warrior (CV 24)
Terra Nova-class (Modified Algol class) Fast Sealift Ship (1)
HMCS Terra Nova (AKR 1)
Bluenose-class (Albion class) Landing Platform Dock (2)
HMCS Bluenose (LPD 1)
HMCS Challenge (LPD 2)
Ontario-class (Kidd class) Missile Destroyer (4)
HMCS Ontario (DDG 284)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 285)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 286)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 287)
Manitoba-class (Type 42) Missile Destroyer (2)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 288)
HMCS Newfoundland (DDG 289)
Iroquois-class Helicopter Destroyer (4)
HMCS Iroquois (DDH 280)
HMCS Huron (DDH 281)
HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282)
HMCS Algonquin (DDH 283)
Halifax-class Patrol Frigate (14)
HMCS Halifax (FFH 330)
HMCS Vancouver (FFH 331)
HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH 332)
HMCS Toronto (FFH 333)
HMCS Regina (FFH 334)
HMCS Calgary (FFH 335)
HMCS Montreal (FFH 336)
HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337)
HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
HMCS St. Johns (FFH 340)
HMCS Ottawa (FFH 341)
HMCS Edmonton (FFH 342)
HMCS Kelowna (FFH 343)
Superior-class (Modified Trafalgar class) nuclear attack submarines (3)
HMCS Superior (SSN 876)
HMCS Lake Huron (SSN 877)
HMCS Athabaska (SSN 878)
Victoria-class (Modified Upholder class) conventional attack submarines (5)
HMCS Victoria (SSK 879)
HMCS Windsor (SSK 880)
HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 881)
HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 882)
HMCS Swift Current (SSK 883)
Kingston-class Multimission Vessel (12)
HMCS Kingston (MMV 700)
HMCS Namaimo (MMV 701)
HMCS Glace Bay (MMV 702)
HMCS Oshawa (MMV 703)
HMCS Shawinigan (MMV 704)
HMCS Whitehorse (MMV 705)
HMCS Yellowknife (MMV 706)
HMCS Goose Bay (MMV 707)
HMCS Moncton (MMV 708)
HMCS Saskatoon (MMV 709)
HMCS Brandon (MMV 710)
HMCS Summerside (MMV 711)
Rocky Mountain-class Replenishment Vessel (5)
HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR 511)
HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR 512)
HMCS Lake Louise (AOR 513)
HMCS Bonaventure (AOR 514)
HMCS Baffin Island (AOR 515)
Arctica-class Submarine Tender (1)
HMCS Arctica (AS 1)
Maritime Command Fleet Air Wing
26 CF-184C Super Tomcat (multi-role fighter)
41 CF-188A/B Hornet (multi-role fighter)
28 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
19 CF-186 Tornado (attack)
16 CP-175 Viking (carrier-borne ASW)
7 CE-2C Hawkeye (carrier-based AEW)
25 CP-140 Aurora (maritime patrol)
48 CH-148 Cyclone (ASW helicopter)
16 CH-149 Comorant (SAR helicopter)
10 CH-147C Chinook (Heavy-lift helicopter)
32 CH-146 Griffon (Utility helicopter)
6 CU-164 Arctic Hawk (long-range UAV)
Canadian Forces Air Command
Active Bases: 13 (Kingston, Toronto, Bagotville, Cold Lake, Goose Bay, Ottawa, Trenton, Gander, Greenwood, Winnipeg, Comox, North Bay, Iqaluit)
Aircraft Strength: 282 fixed-wing, 135 helicopters
Active Personnel: 32,900
Reserve Personnel: 11,000
Active Aircraft
66 CF-184C Tomcat (air defense)
90 CF-188 Hornet (multi-role fighter)
47 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
6 CE-150AEW Polaris Vision (airborne early warning aircraft)
5 CC-177 Globemaster III (strategic airlifter)
7 CC-160 Arcturus (aerial refueling tanker)
4 CC-150 Polaris (aerial refueling tanker/tactical transporter)
21 CC-176 Airmaster (tactical transporter)
10 CC-130H Hercules (tactical transporter)
5 CC-144 Challenger 600 (transport/VIP aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter (transport aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter SAR (search and rescue)
5 CC-132 Dash-7 (STOL transport aircraft)
2 CC-180 Commander (VIP aircraft)
18 CH-147C Chinook (heavy lift/transport helicopter)
84 CH-146 Griffon (utility helicopter, 24 modified with more powerful engines and 20mm guns for escort duties)
33 CH-136D Kiowa Warrior (reconaissance helicopter)
Land Force Command
Operational Regiments: 13
Reserve Regiments: 46
Active Manpower: 44,800
Reserve Personnel: 54,000
Armor Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Dragoons
- Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada
- 8th Canadian Hussars
- Ontario Regiment (RCAC)
Infantry Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Regiment
- The Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
- The 22nd Regiment
- The Royal Highland Regiment
- Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
- Nunavut Defense Battalion
Special Elements:
- Canadian Airborne Regiment
- Canadian Special Air Service
- Canadian Rangers
Equipment
230 Leopard 2A6 (main battle tank)
127 Leopard C2 (main battle tank, assigned to reserve units)
140 M2 Bradley (infantry fighting vehicle)
55 Rooikat 105 (infantry support vehicle, donated by South Africa in 1998)
754 LAV III (armored personnel carrier, many variants)
55 AAV-7A1 (amphibious assault carrier)
560 M113/MTVL (armored personnel carrier)
183 Grizzly AVGP (used as artillery tractors and repair team vehicles)
195 Bison AVGP (used as ambulances, mortar vehicles and electronic warfare jammers)
10 ARV 3 M Buffalo (armored recovery vehicle)
16 ARV Taurus (armored recovery vehicle)
27 Husky AVGP (armored recovery vehicle)
16 AVLB Beaver (bridge-laying vehicle)
9 AEV Badger (armored engineering vehicle)
325 RG-31 Nyala (mine-protected vehicle)
32 Buffalo A2 (mine-protected vehicle)
8 Aardvark JFSU Mark 4 (mine-cleaning vehicle)
66 M113 ADATS (short-range air defense/anti-tank vehicles)
95 M109A6 Paladin (self-propelled artillery)
44 M777 (lightweight field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
59 LG1 105mm (lightweight towed field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
1,745 HVLW (heavy truck, based on Steyr 1491 Percheron)
710 TTVLW (tractor-trailer heavy vehicle, 710 tractors + 2,840 trailers, trailers designed for specially-designed 20-foot or 40-foot containers)
2,557 7000-MV MLVW (medium truck, based on Navistar International 7000MV, built 2006-2009)
3,484 LSVW (light truck, based on GMC Topkick, built 2001-2004 by GM Canada)
1,780 G-Wagen (light utility vehicle)
4,482 MILCOTS Chevrolet Silverado (light utility vehicle)
223 Bandvagn 206 (78 built in Sweden, others license-produced in Canada)
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Just for Christmas, and as a little teaser of what is to come, I present the January 1, 2010, Canadian Forces.
The 2010 Canadian Forces
Overall Active Personnel: 131,400
Reserve Personnel: 70,000
Budget: C$ 50.8 Billion (2.7% of GDP)
Maritime Command
Active Bases: 7 (Halifax, Kingston, Shearwater, Esquimault, Iqaluit, Sturgeon Lake, Moosonee)
Active Vessels: 54
Aircraft Strength: 162 fixed-wing, 106 helicopters, 6 UAVs
Active Personnel: 53,700 (including 4,500 Marines)
Reserve Personnel: 5,000
Vessels
Warrior-class (Modified Forrestal class) Aircraft Carrier (1)
HMCS Warrior (CV 24)
Terra Nova-class (Modified Algol class) Fast Sealift Ship (1)
HMCS Terra Nova (AKR 1)
Bluenose-class (Albion class) Landing Platform Dock (2)
HMCS Bluenose (LPD 1)
HMCS Challenge (LPD 2)
Ontario-class (Kidd class) Missile Destroyer (4)
HMCS Ontario (DDG 284)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 285)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 286)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 287)
Manitoba-class (Type 42) Missile Destroyer (2)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 288)
HMCS Newfoundland (DDG 289)
Iroquois-class Helicopter Destroyer (4)
HMCS Iroquois (DDH 280)
HMCS Huron (DDH 281)
HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282)
HMCS Algonquin (DDH 283)
Halifax-class Patrol Frigate (14)
HMCS Halifax (FFH 330)
HMCS Vancouver (FFH 331)
HMCS Ville de Quebec (FFH 332)
HMCS Toronto (FFH 333)
HMCS Regina (FFH 334)
HMCS Calgary (FFH 335)
HMCS Montreal (FFH 336)
HMCS Fredericton (FFH 337)
HMCS Winnipeg (FFH 338)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
HMCS St. Johns (FFH 340)
HMCS Ottawa (FFH 341)
HMCS Edmonton (FFH 342)
HMCS Kelowna (FFH 343)
Superior-class (Modified Trafalgar class) nuclear attack submarines (3)
HMCS Superior (SSN 876)
HMCS Lake Huron (SSN 877)
HMCS Athabaska (SSN 878)
Victoria-class (Modified Upholder class) conventional attack submarines (5)
HMCS Victoria (SSK 879)
HMCS Windsor (SSK 880)
HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 881)
HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 882)
HMCS Swift Current (SSK 883)
Kingston-class Multimission Vessel (12)
HMCS Kingston (MMV 700)
HMCS Namaimo (MMV 701)
HMCS Glace Bay (MMV 702)
HMCS Oshawa (MMV 703)
HMCS Shawinigan (MMV 704)
HMCS Whitehorse (MMV 705)
HMCS Yellowknife (MMV 706)
HMCS Goose Bay (MMV 707)
HMCS Moncton (MMV 708)
HMCS Saskatoon (MMV 709)
HMCS Brandon (MMV 710)
HMCS Summerside (MMV 711)
Rocky Mountain-class Replenishment Vessel (5)
HMCS Rocky Mountain (AOR 511)
HMCS Niagara Falls (AOR 512)
HMCS Lake Louise (AOR 513)
HMCS Bonaventure (AOR 514)
HMCS Baffin Island (AOR 515)
Arctica-class Submarine Tender (1)
HMCS Arctica (AS 1)
Maritime Command Fleet Air Wing
26 CF-184C Super Tomcat (multi-role fighter)
41 CF-188A/B Hornet (multi-role fighter)
28 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
19 CF-186 Tornado (attack)
16 CP-175 Viking (carrier-borne ASW)
7 CE-2C Hawkeye (carrier-based AEW)
25 CP-140 Aurora (maritime patrol)
48 CH-148 Cyclone (ASW helicopter)
16 CH-149 Comorant (SAR helicopter)
10 CH-147C Chinook (Heavy-lift helicopter)
32 CH-146 Griffon (Utility helicopter)
6 CU-164 Arctic Hawk (long-range UAV)
Canadian Forces Air Command
Active Bases: 13 (Kingston, Toronto, Bagotville, Cold Lake, Goose Bay, Ottawa, Trenton, Gander, Greenwood, Winnipeg, Comox, North Bay, Iqaluit)
Aircraft Strength: 282 fixed-wing, 135 helicopters
Active Personnel: 32,900
Reserve Personnel: 11,000
Active Aircraft
66 CF-184C Tomcat (air defense)
90 CF-188 Hornet (multi-role fighter)
47 CF-187 Corsair II (attack)
6 CE-150AEW Polaris Vision (airborne early warning aircraft)
5 CC-177 Globemaster III (strategic airlifter)
7 CC-160 Arcturus (aerial refueling tanker)
4 CC-150 Polaris (aerial refueling tanker/tactical transporter)
21 CC-176 Airmaster (tactical transporter)
10 CC-130H Hercules (tactical transporter)
5 CC-144 Challenger 600 (transport/VIP aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter (transport aircraft)
6 CC-138 Twin Otter SAR (search and rescue)
5 CC-132 Dash-7 (STOL transport aircraft)
2 CC-180 Commander (VIP aircraft)
18 CH-147C Chinook (heavy lift/transport helicopter)
84 CH-146 Griffon (utility helicopter, 24 modified with more powerful engines and 20mm guns for escort duties)
33 CH-136D Kiowa Warrior (reconaissance helicopter)
Land Force Command
Operational Regiments: 13
Reserve Regiments: 46
Active Manpower: 44,800
Reserve Personnel: 54,000
Armor Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Dragoons
- Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)
- 12th Armored Regiment of Canada
- 8th Canadian Hussars
- Ontario Regiment (RCAC)
Infantry Regiments:
- Royal Canadian Regiment
- The Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
- The 22nd Regiment
- The Royal Highland Regiment
- Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
- Nunavut Defense Battalion
Special Elements:
- Canadian Airborne Regiment
- Canadian Special Air Service
- Canadian Rangers
Equipment
230 Leopard 2A6 (main battle tank)
127 Leopard C2 (main battle tank, assigned to reserve units)
140 M2 Bradley (infantry fighting vehicle)
55 Rooikat 105 (infantry support vehicle, donated by South Africa in 1998)
754 LAV III (armored personnel carrier, many variants)
55 AAV-7A1 (amphibious assault carrier)
560 M113/MTVL (armored personnel carrier)
183 Grizzly AVGP (used as artillery tractors and repair team vehicles)
195 Bison AVGP (used as ambulances, mortar vehicles and electronic warfare jammers)
10 ARV 3 M Buffalo (armored recovery vehicle)
16 ARV Taurus (armored recovery vehicle)
27 Husky AVGP (armored recovery vehicle)
16 AVLB Beaver (bridge-laying vehicle)
9 AEV Badger (armored engineering vehicle)
325 RG-31 Nyala (mine-protected vehicle)
32 Buffalo A2 (mine-protected vehicle)
8 Aardvark JFSU Mark 4 (mine-cleaning vehicle)
66 M113 ADATS (short-range air defense/anti-tank vehicles)
95 M109A6 Paladin (self-propelled artillery)
44 M777 (lightweight field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
59 LG1 105mm (lightweight towed field howitzer, towed by Grizzly AVGP)
1,745 HVLW (heavy truck, based on Steyr 1491 Percheron)
710 TTVLW (tractor-trailer heavy vehicle, 710 tractors + 2,840 trailers, trailers designed for specially-designed 20-foot or 40-foot containers)
2,557 7000-MV MLVW (medium truck, based on Navistar International 7000MV, built 2006-2009)
3,484 LSVW (light truck, based on GMC Topkick, built 2001-2004 by GM Canada)
1,780 G-Wagen (light utility vehicle)
4,482 MILCOTS Chevrolet Silverado (light utility vehicle)
223 Bandvagn 206 (78 built in Sweden, others license-produced in Canada)
aww,yeah!!!!
Looks like Canada received several ex-US Tomcats. And what exactly is a CC-180 Commander?
Yes, we did get a number of ex-USN Tomcats, which got rebuilt to Canuck specs by Bombardier. The CC-180 Commander is the Canuck equivalent of Air Force One, a ex-Air Canada Boeing 747-200 used by the Prime Minister, Governor General, Defense Minister and other top-ranking officials. It's not as sophisticated as the American Air Force One, but it does make a big statement.
TheMann,
Is Canada getting any Aegis ships or AC-130 gunships? I'm thinking the gunships would fit your Canadian military. The Spanish and Japanese are also building Aegis ships.
What carrier replaces the Warrier? I believe the Forrestals were old and tired ships when the USN retired them.
Dilvish
PS I have to ask, is Defense Scheme No. 1 still in existance?
Is Canada getting any Aegis ships or AC-130 gunships? I'm thinking the gunships would fit your Canadian military. The Spanish and Japanese are also building Aegis ships.
What carrier replaces the Warrier? I believe the Forrestals were old and tired ships when the USN retired them.
Dilvish
PS I have to ask, is Defense Scheme No. 1 still in existance?
TheMann,
Is Canada getting any Aegis ships or AC-130 gunships? I'm thinking the gunships would fit your Canadian military. The Spanish and Japanese are also building Aegis ships.
What carrier replaces the Warrier? I believe the Forrestals were old and tired ships when the USN retired them.
Dilvish
PS I have to ask, is Defense Scheme No. 1 still in existance?
The 2010s will see the retirement of the Ontario and Manitoba-class destroyers, as they will be past 30 years old by then. An AEGIS ship will probably be on the cards at that point, but the Canucks will want to build it themselves. The destroyers they got were dirt-cheap, which is why they were bought. AC-130s probably not, as the US has never sold them to anybody, but they might be a useful thing that the Canucks can make themselves.......
Warrior was substantially rebuilt before it enters Canadian service. It's hull is old, but the Forrestal class is built tough, and almost everything else - engines, electronics, many mechanical components, HVAC systems, et cetera - are all new or fairly new in 1997. She'll be good to go for a while.
Defense Scheme #1? Are you kididng? The Canadian Forces, good as they are here, can't hope to stop the US Army sent out in force......
Ming777
Monthly Donor
Yes, we did get a number of ex-USN Tomcats, which got rebuilt to Canuck specs by Bombardier. The CC-180 Commander is the Canuck equivalent of Air Force One, a ex-Air Canada Boeing 747-200 used by the Prime Minister, Governor General, Defense Minister and other top-ranking officials. It's not as sophisticated as the American Air Force One, but it does make a big statement.
Sweet!!! But couldn't they receive the ex-Air Canaada 747-400s that were disposed of in 2002-2003?
The 2010s will see the retirement of the Ontario and Manitoba-class destroyers, as they will be past 30 years old by then. An AEGIS ship will probably be on the cards at that point, but the Canucks will want to build it themselves. The destroyers they got were dirt-cheap, which is why they were bought. AC-130s probably not, as the US has never sold them to anybody, but they might be a useful thing that the Canucks can make themselves.......
Warrior was substantially rebuilt before it enters Canadian service. It's hull is old, but the Forrestal class is built tough, and almost everything else - engines, electronics, many mechanical components, HVAC systems, et cetera - are all new or fairly new in 1997. She'll be good to go for a while.
Defense Scheme #1? Are you kididng? The Canadian Forces, good as they are here, can't hope to stop the US Army sent out in force......
The Canadians may not need to get the AC-130 for a gunship. I believe one of the Twin Otter's ancesters was used as a USAF gunship in Vietnam. The Caribou, I think. The Canadians should be able to make their own gunships. Use the Twin Otters or buy extra C-130's.
I still have my doubts about Forrestal being good for so long; she has seen many decades of active service. I also have my doubts about the F-14 airframes. My understanding is that the airframes were suffering from fatigue. I can't prove which one of us is right, so I'll leave it at that.
My next crazy idea. As long as Canada is buying old US capital ships, how about an Iowa to support the intervention troops?
MacCaulay
Banned
The Iranian Air Force would like to have a word with you. Preferably while you're riding in the backseat of one of the F-14s they've been flying without any spares since the mid-80s.
They're a remarkably tough machine, even with the AWG-9 radar and tough upkeep required for the Phoenix missiles.
Though the fatigue that you're talking about is to do with the wing, and was fixed in the subsequent upgrades. The Iranians have evidently figured out how to get around it, since they've used the Tomcat in combat tons more than the USN ever did.
Also, the Canadians have had a lot of practice in OTL with keeping aircraft going well past their effective service life. They're still using the Sea Kings, and by all rights those things should've been replaced about 20 years ago.
The Sea King was supposed to have been replaced in the mid 1990s. Shortsighted and idiotic political manoeuvring got the just-paid for replacements cancelled in 1993. And then the government spent the next ten years trying to avoid having to buy the exact same helicopters as the one that they cancelled. The replacements were announced in 2004 and the new choppers should start being delivered some time in the next year (2010) The search for a replacement for the Sea King began in the mid 1980s.
Our Sea Kings operate off of frigates and destroyers, where most would operate a helicopter of that size off of a much larger warship. The things can also land in heavy seas, thanks to the clever device called a "bear trap".
The CF-188 entered service in 1983/4. They got a mid life upgrade in the late 1990s/early 2000s that should allow them to remain in service until 2017-2020. The replacement is probably going to be the F-35 or something similar.
The CC-130 entered service in the late 1960s /early 70s, and was finally replaced with a modern version in 2005/6.
Yep. It be nice if there was more of the awesome though. And if it had some new toys to play with.
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