WI: Canada only Tizard mission

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What if Churchill insists that only Canada can have the Tizard mission data and samples. No word of advanced jet research, plastic explosives, multi-cavity magnetrons, reflex klystrons and the French nuclear memorandum (Frisch-Peierls) that implied a nuclear bomb (There were blueprints and circuit diagrams for rockets, explosives, superchargers, gyroscopic gunsights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks too).

What would follow from that in terms of the limits of Canadian research and production.
Northern Electric Ltd made quite a few radar sets, but this would be a fraction of US production even if expanded.

Differing relations with the US government?
A bit more suspicion, but More and better radios as American electronics industry concentrates on what it knows?

Still a post war economic boom for the USA?
Would the computer come to light or remain secret? Would America be a nuclear power? British radar targeting and air warning rules the waves? Greater consumer electronics boom in the empire?

http://www.cap.ca/wyp/profiles/Redhead-Nov01.PDF

BBC: The World In A Briefcase

In the summer of 1940, the war with Germany was at a critical stage.
France had recently surrendered and the Luftwaffe was engaged in a concerted bombing campaign against British cities.
The United Kingdom was being cut off from the Continent, and without allies to help her, she would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity - particularly in the all important field of electronics.
On the morning of 29 August, a small team of the country's top scientists and engineers, under the direction of Sir Henry Tizard and in conditions of absolute secrecy, was about to board a converted ocean liner.
With them they carried possibly the most precious cargo of the war - a black japanned metal deed box containing all of Britain's most valuable technological secrets.
They were on their way to America - to all but give them away.
This high-powered team included representatives from the Army, Navy and Air Force, along with specialists in the new technologies of war.
 
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A hundred peeks, but not worth a memo? I'll come back in few days. It occurs to me that sub-contracting under licence and strictest secrecy, might see US electronics companies used after all...?
 
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I guess people just didn't feel qualified enough to answer.

Would Canada of had the spare resources and industrial capacity comparable to the US? Whilst no slouches I'm guessing that since they wouldn't have the resources the Americans had to literally throw money at the problems to solve them as fast as possible so you'd probably see a slightly slower development and introduction of the different developments.

Another interesting question might be if instead of just giving away the British scientific crown jewels practically free they instead sold or licenced them to the US government/corporations along more regular business lines. Now obviously they wouldn't get the best terms possible since everyone knows what sort of pressures the British are under and they'd want to be generous on the terms to keep the Americans happy but any income they got out of it would be more than they received in our timeline.
 
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Since I just found this, you had to wait for comment.:p
There were blueprints and circuit diagrams for rockets, explosives, superchargers, gyroscopic gunsights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks too).
I did not know all that...:(:(
What would follow from that in terms of the limits of Canadian research and production. Northern Electric Ltd made quite a few radar sets, but this would be a fraction of US production even if expanded.
If the U.S. isn't providing Britain, I'd say Canadian production doesn't end up going to the U.S. Army, as a lot did OTL.:confused: It's also possible Winston &/or Portal feels it's too great a risk to put scarce radars over Germany, & gives small numbers only to Coastal Command, which is less likely to lose them to enemy action.

There's also the issue of provision to RN/RCN. Does this mean more go to RCN, instead of AUS?

Also, does Canada add production of radars? It was possible, though there were limits due to manpower shortages. (You don't start to hit these til about '44.) Given the issues over Quebecois getting drafted, could be you see more production in Quebec.
Differing relations with the US government? A bit more suspicion, but More and better radios as American electronics industry concentrates on what it knows?
IMO, the change to the Tizard Mission presupposes a difference.
Still a post war economic boom for the USA?
I think that's inevitable, since the war shortages created pent-up demand.
Would the computer come to light or remain secret?
AFAIK, the Brits didn't share the tech underlying Colossus, & the U.S. had native computer designs.
Would America be a nuclear power?
I'd expect it. The geopolitical benefits were substantial, & the U.S. was aware of them, which is partly why the U.S. shut out the Brits postwar.:rolleyes:
British radar targeting and air warning rules the waves?
I'm dubious. The Brit lead in electronic engineering wasn't great. What the Brits did well was getting it into military service soonest, having excellent co-operation between scientists & services. No war, maybe not so much...
Greater consumer electronics boom in the empire?
Conceivable. Imperial introduction of some consumer electronic items, instead of U.S.? Britain introducing transistor radios first?
Would Canada of had the spare resources and industrial capacity comparable to the US? Whilst no slouches I'm guessing that since they wouldn't have the resources the Americans had to literally throw money at the problems to solve them as fast as possible so you'd probably see a slightly slower development and introduction of the different developments.
True. Also a lower overall standard of engineering competence (much as it pains me to admit it:(:(). Also manpower issues, as mentioned. OTL, Canada was incapable of building things like gyrocompasses,:eek: which meant early RCN corvettes were incapable of operating Hedgehog.

Plus, RCN senior officers were technologically inept, so RCN was developing 1m radars, while RN had centimetric sets in service...:eek:
Another interesting question might be if instead of just giving away the British scientific crown jewels practically free they instead sold or licenced them to the US government/corporations along more regular business lines. Now obviously they wouldn't get the best terms possible since everyone knows what sort of pressures the British are under and they'd want to be generous on the terms to keep the Americans happy but any income they got out of it would be more than they received in our timeline.
An intriguing suggestion.:cool::cool: Seeing the likely demand for radar, just frex, I can see U.S. corps giving the Brits a pretty good deal, actually. They'd make pretty nice bundles from actually building the gear & selling it to USG.
 
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