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What if California and other surrounding territories seek to acquire independence after southern states successfully secede during the failed American Civil War?
Stranger things have happened. The Republic of Texas had a mere 70,000 people when they rebelled from Mexico.All of about 600,000 people at most?
They lose.
Stranger things have happened. The Republic of Texas had a mere 70,000 people when they rebelled from Mexico.
The Rockies and Great Plains aren't the Rio Grande. Logistically, the US prosecuting a war in California in 1862/1863 is as difficult or more difficult than Mexico in Texas in 1836. Especially if they've lost the ACW and the Transcontinental Railroad is behind schedule.Mexico isn't the US.
The Rockies and Great Plains aren't the Rio Grande. Logistically, the US prosecuting a war in California in 1862/1863 is as difficult or more difficult than Mexico in Texas in 1836. Especially if they've lost the ACW and the Transcontinental Railroad is behind schedule.
While it's unlikely California would secede in the 1860s, if they did somehow have the motivation, they have at least the chance that Texas had to acquire independence.
What would be the motivation for such a move. The population of California was mostly Anglo, there were no movements for independence in California at that time, unless you go ABS.
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MrBill
What if California and other surrounding territories seek to acquire independence after southern states successfully secede during the failed American Civil War?
The Union has a large navy and hundreds of thousands of troops. California loses badly.
Mexico was a completely unindustrialized nation that had been wracked by political upheaval since its inception. Its (conscript) forces were led personally by a military dictator whose credentials were dubious at absolute best. He decided to brake off with only a few hundred men, his plans were captured by spies, and his army was literally caught napping. He signed a peace treaty with a gun to his head, and Mexico was unable to send another army because it was also facing multiple other rebellions. Logistics were far from the primary obstacle. It was the weaknesses of Mexico rather than the strength of the Texans that settled things. This compared to the United States, which even after losing a Civil War is a large, wealthy, industrial power. The US could mobilize more soldiers than there were people in California.The Rockies and Great Plains aren't the Rio Grande. Logistically, the US prosecuting a war in California in 1862/1863 is as difficult or more difficult than Mexico in Texas in 1836. Especially if they've lost the ACW and the Transcontinental Railroad is behind schedule.
While it's unlikely California would secede in the 1860s, if they did somehow have the motivation, they have at least the chance that Texas had to acquire independence.
California did have pro-slavery advocates and Southern sympathizers in Southern California. Some of them approached then Union General Albert Sidney Johnston to secede with Oregon to form a Pacific Republic. Idea never took off, but Johnston did join the CSA later. Another thing to note, California supported John C. Beckenridge with 28.3% of the vote and Stephen Douglas with 31.7% of the vote. Succession is possible but unlikely.
Breckenridge got 37.5% off the vote in Pennsylvania, but there was no chance of Pennsylvania joining the Confederacy. Very few people who came from from free states and voted for Beckenridge supported the Confederacy. Douglas supporters from free states were almost entirely pro-Union. Counting guerilla/bandits perhaps 200 Californians fought for the Confederacy. About 50 Claifonians joined the Confederate army, as opposed to about 5000 who joined the Union army.
Not if it gets foreign intervention. It's possible the British intervene in the hopes of securing more territories in the Pacific.
If California wanted independence, they would not want to become part of the British Empire.