What would have happened if the UK had never agreed to the Masstricht treaty (and presumably Lisbon as well). Say Major calls a referendum on the treaty and the treaty loses.
I didnt know people with an opinion like yours still exist on this site.The EU - or rather the EEC - would do what they always do. Change a few words on the treaty and try and get it through the back door.
Or they'd just hold the referendum again and again until they get the result they want. A la Ireland and the Euro and the Danes on other matters. The European Project *will* go forward and fuck the will of the people.
More than you think!I didnt know people with an opinion like yours still exist on this site.
Years after years of debunking anti EU BS in the various Brexit threads let me to the futile hope that this might not be the case. Sadly, I always had the suspicion that these members just migrated to other threads to spread their disease. But its my mistake. I always regarded Brexiters & the various anti EU members as people with just a different, but missinformed opinion. Perhaps its time to regard some of their positions more like AntiVaxxers?More than you think!
Antivaxxers actually kill people with their stupid and uneducated opinions. You don't really get to compare people who disagree with you to people who are actually dangerous to not only public health but human lives.Years after years of debunking anti EU BS in the various Brexit threads let me to the futile hope that this might not be the case. Sadly, I always had the suspicion that these members just migrated to other threads to spread their disease. But its my mistake. I always regarded Brexiters & the various anti EU members as people with just a different, but missinformed opinion. Perhaps its time to regard some of their positions more like AntiVaxxers?
Years after years of debunking anti EU BS in the various Brexit threads let me to the futile hope that this might not be the case. Sadly, I always had the suspicion that these members just migrated to other threads to spread their disease. But its my mistake. I always regarded Brexiters & the various anti EU members as people with just a different, but missinformed opinion. Perhaps its time to regard some of their positions more like AntiVaxxers?
The EU - or rather the EEC - would do what they always do. Change a few words on the treaty and try and get it through the back door.
Or they'd just hold the referendum again and again until they get the result they want. A la Ireland and the Euro and the Danes on other matters. The European Project *will* go forward and fuck the will of the people.
And why did they give consent? Because the modifications were made on the very subjects that were opposed initially by the people, AKA the people's opinion was listened carefully and influenced the final text. That's called democracy.I suggest you spend some time to actually research what happened in Ireland and Denmark before sprouting this kind nonsense.
What happened in this countries was that there was a referendum after which the people were actually consulted. Modifications were made and there was a referendum again. The second time the people gave their consent. This is the way a referendum works. Maybe Britain should learn a lesson or two from the Irish and the Danes.
And why did they give consent? Because the modifications were made on the very subjects that were opposed initially by the people, AKA the people's opinion was listened carefully and influenced the final text. That's called democracy.
I felt it necessary because while you knew it, the anti-EU crowd tends to deliberately forget about that point and claims that the EU make people vote again and again until they say yes.Exactly, thanks for clarifying
Last time I checked AntiVaxxers where humans not Chihuahuas.De humanizing people who have a different opinon to you is intolerant. And frankly lazy!
Its almost like a faith based worldview tends to ignore contradictory information...just like AntiVaxxers do, hmm. No that I would imply here something....I felt it necessary because while you knew it, the anti-EU crowd tends to deliberately forget about that point and claims that the EU make people vote again and again until they say yes.
Wasn't it Peter Mandelson - then an EU Kommissar - who said that the Irish or the Danes (I forget which) would have to hold the referendum again "until they give the correct answer"?
And for the record, I don't hate the EU - I hate Britain's continued membership of it.
The Treaty of Lisbon is quite different from the Treaty for a European Constitution, both in scope and content.I suspect you're thinking of Juncker's "If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'" response to France calling a referendum on the European constitution which was replaced with the completely unrelated[/sarc] Treaty of Lisbon after the French rejected it.