WI: Britain Joins the Axis?

This really belongs in the ASB section.
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I hate it when this is thrown around.
True, none of the suggestions above your post are plausible, but the general question is open and claiming ASB is lack of imagination. It could be any scenario which have another power Seem more threatening than Germany.
Some are listed below your post, but more possibilities can be imagined.
 
That puts the alliance in 1929-31. An alliance with the Weimar gov't is much more likely, especially with the fear of the Soviet Union is growing. Perhaps a NATO-like alliance?

I meant in terms of British domestic politics changing so that a fascist-type government is in power by the time the war starts, not the alliance itself.
 
Suppose Hitler had moved to England before World War I, fought in Flanders with the British Army, joined the Conservative Party, and then become Prime Minister in the 1930s and implemented fascism?

Germany remains a democracy in this scenario, but allies with the UK anyway since the only alternative is to ally with the USSR.
 
The Axis powers were revisionist powers intent on upturning the international order as it then stood so they could expand. Britain was the premier example of the power who benefited from that international order since it had essentially created it. As a status quo power, it has nothing in common with the Axis. Their gains have to come against British power and influence.

Even in a best case scenario where Hitler genuinely wants a British power that retains its empire and is friendly to Germany, Britain likely suffers some severe losses. 1) Canada defects to the American orbit, either out of fear of fascism or under American pressure. 2) Likelihood Australia and New Zealand does the same as it seeks someone to protect them from Japan. 3) Britain is chased out of East Asia by various (perhaps with face saving) means as Japan consolidates it hold. 4) Britain returns Germany's African colonies to it. 5) South Africa under Boer domination effectively removes itself from the British Empire to accommodate the new German one.

Economically, Britain becomes a big loser as the kind of international trading system Hitler uses undermines British trade ties. Eventually the German economy dominates it, and British prestige, power, and influence declines as it becomes the junior partner to Germany.
 
Suppose Hitler had moved to England before World War I, fought in Flanders with the British Army, joined the Conservative Party, and then become Prime Minister in the 1930s and implemented fascism?

Germany remains a democracy in this scenario, but allies with the UK anyway since the only alternative is to ally with the USSR.
Why Conservative Party?

Mosely, Britain's fascist was Labour before starting th BUF. I am curious as to why you assume the Tories are likely to be the conduit for British fascism... obviously anything could happen in this hypothetical scenario, but just curious why the assumption.
 
I hate it when this is thrown around.
True, none of the suggestions above your post are plausible, but the general question is open and claiming ASB is lack of imagination. It could be any scenario which have another power Seem more threatening than Germany.
Some are listed below your post, but more possibilities can be imagined.

Not really no. The Alien Space Bats become involved whenever an idea relies solely on imagination rather than the known on the ground facts.

Each of the powers that joined the Axis wanted something from war that they could not get from peace. A lot of the powers that joined the Axis i.e Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania joined as the choice was basically that or get eaten. Even countries that actually favoured the Axis like Spain stayed out as war was costly and there was nothing they wanted so badly as to risk the cost of war.

Britain already had a global empire, it already had access to global resources, it already had global markets and it already had a global banking and insurance system. It had fought its wars mostly in the 18th Century in order to become a major power and while it added bits and pieces in the 19th and 20th Centuries it did not really need them. Further but British industries could hold their market share in the face of American imports so American imports just kept costs down for consumers and the British still managed to sell goods of their own, mostly raw materials at one end of the spectrum or luxury goods at the other to the USA. The things that a British Government looking to keep British people and even the white dominions happy needed were already there in place. What they did not need was a cost of a major war which is all the Axis could actually offer them.
 
I can't see it happening either.

The closest I can think of is the USSR being more aggressive in the 1930s leading the British and French Governments to think that Nazi Germany was the lesser of the evils instead of the other way around. Say instead of the purges Stalin puts the USSR on a war footing and invades Finland, the Baltic Republics and Poland in 1939 as the next stage of the World Revolution.

However, even then France and the UK would not form an alliance with Germany and declare war on the USSR. Instead it would be a pro-German neutral in a similar fashion to the relationship between the UK and USA before Pearl Harbour.
 
I can't see it happening either.

The closest I can think of is the USSR being more aggressive in the 1930s leading the British and French Governments to think that Nazi Germany was the lesser of the evils instead of the other way around. Say instead of the purges Stalin puts the USSR on a war footing and invades Finland, the Baltic Republics and Poland in 1939 as the next stage of the World Revolution.

However, even then France and the UK would not form an alliance with Germany and declare war on the USSR. Instead it would be a pro-German neutral in a similar fashion to the relationship between the UK and USA before Pearl Harbour.
That would be my Line if thinking as well. Keep in mind that in such a scenario the Nazis Can justify a lot of their actions as defence against the red scare.
Then you just need someone to guarantee someones territory...
 
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