WI: Britain backs Japan in 1905

Which damages Russia more than Britian. For a separate peace it would have to give up 34% of its population, 54% of its industrial land, 89% of its coalfields, and 26% of its railways and pay 300 million gold marks because Germany would settle for nothing because of being too confident of victory. Even if Nicholas proposed it his generals would overthrow him. Lenin only signed it because he already lost those territories
I doubt that the second Brest-Litovsk will happen


It required the rejection of the First Bolshevik


If the Tsar makes a separate peace, it will be the first Brest-Litovsk peace


Which makes Russia lose only Poland and Lithuania and return Korland to the Russians if they have good negotiators


I doubt that here the Tsar will be overthrown, because he only lost ethnic non-Russian lands, unlike peace
 
I'm not sure you are correct regarding the Suez Canal. Rozhdestvenski split his fleet at tangier, and sent some older ships under Felkerzam on the shorter route through the Canal, aiming to rendezvous at Madagascar. I believe that Nebogatov's Third Pacific Squadron also took the short cut to catch the Baltic Fleet. Not sure why the major part of the fleet went around the Cape.
It was feared that the newer Russian ships couldn't pass the canal due to draught concerns.
 
There is no evidence for that

In 1871, everyone accepted to a large extent, except France, the unification and rise of Germany

In 1901 the British offered an alliance with the Germans, which the Germans rejected due to their lack of interest

The German-British hostility began after 1908 because of the very stupid statements of Wilhelm II, which everyone considered a threat
Nonsense. I suggets you do some actual research.
 
[1] I see you keep saying things without proving which one of them didn't bring even a single document to support your argument.

[2] Intentionally ignoring that France was the aggressor in 1870, not Prussia

[3] Wrong The soft power of the British king is strong and has been proven many times
1. Pot <-> Kettle
2. After immense and deliberate Prussian provocation.
3. :rolleyes:
 
I doubt that the second Brest-Litovsk will happen


It required the rejection of the First Bolshevik


If the Tsar makes a separate peace, it will be the first Brest-Litovsk peace


Which makes Russia lose only Poland and Lithuania and return Korland to the Russians if they have good negotiators


I doubt that here the Tsar will be overthrown, because he only lost ethnic non-Russian lands, unlike peace
Germany signed a seperate peace with Ukraine ( which was a very important goal )before the second Brest-Litovsk and they didn't intend to respect the first since the second was breached by conquer of Ukraine. Even if it wasn't Russia is still in danger because there is no guarantee that germany won't restart the war after western front is won which they would leaving Russia with no option but total submission to Germany
 
Thanks for that :)



Besides, Britain supporting someone named Napoleon against the Prussians? Do you want a zombie Wellington? Because this is how you get a zombie Wellington! ;)

Randy
To be fair they did support Napoleon's sham ""sovereign authority"" of Ottoman Christians
 
Which damages Russia more than Britian. For a separate peace it would have to give up 34% of its population, 54% of its industrial land, 89% of its coalfields, and 26% of its railways and pay 300 million gold marks because Germany would settle for nothing because of being too confident of victory. Even if Nicholas proposed it his generals would overthrow him. Lenin only signed it because he already lost those territories
Only if Britain wins, there is a good chance that France collapses and the Central Powers win. The USA likely couldn't mobilize in time to save France.
Even if Russia's generals overthrew the Tsar, word would get out that the Tsar had tried to stop the war the Russian people's opinion of him would skyrocket as they grew to hate the war. The new Russian Republic would be viewed as puppet of France and Britain and would fall.
 
You gotta love a good thread derailment

Poor OP just wanted to know what would happy if the UK backed Japan and now the thread is bogged down discussing British Korea
 
Only if Britain wins, there is a good chance that France collapses and the Central Powers win. The USA likely couldn't mobilize in time to save France.
Even if Russia's generals overthrew the Tsar, word would get out that the Tsar had tried to stop the war the Russian people's opinion of him would skyrocket as they grew to hate the war. The new Russian Republic would be viewed as puppet of France and Britain and would fall.
but something is better nothing staying in the war gave a chance of survival but surrender is just german domination
 
It was feared that the newer Russian ships couldn't pass the canal due to draught concerns.
In case anyone chooses to correct you with the maximum draft limits of the canal the real fear was more that a pilot of the suez canal company (an Anglo French company) required on all ships above a certain size transiting the canal would purposefully miss the correct channel which would leave tbe larger Russian ships stuck.
 
If we want a neutral Italy in 1914


The attempt to assassinate Victor Emmanuel III by an anarchist in 1912 must succeed because Parliament will take over the guardianship of the child Umberto II and Parliament is pro-neutral. We will see a neutral Italy during World War I
If VEIII die his cousin the Duke of Aosta become Regent till Umberto come to age and he is very but very inteventionist
 
If VEIII die his cousin the Duke of Aosta become Regent till Umberto come to age and he is very but very inteventionist
Oh I didn't know that


I don't know about the Duke of Aosta's attitude toward the war, is he pro-entente like his cousin or has another stance


But I don't think Parliament would let it pass if it tried to intervene when this was its chance to dominate


(Can Parliament use the excuse that his father is a foreign king to prevent him from regency by virtue of his father being the only king of Spain other than the Bourbons)


If not, do you think we will see a Regency Council made up of the Duke of Aosta and some Italian politicians
 
Oh I didn't know that


I don't know about the Duke of Aosta's attitude toward the war, is he pro-entente like his cousin or has another stance


But I don't think Parliament would let it pass if it tried to intervene when this was its chance to dominate


(Can Parliament use the excuse that his father is a foreign king to prevent him from regency by virtue of his father being the only king of Spain other than the Bourbons)


If not, do you think we will see a Regency Council made up of the Duke of Aosta and some Italian politicians
The can use the excuse only if they want to start a dinastic and semiconstitutional crisis (there are provision in case a king die and the heir is too young, with a writen order about who get the job of regent) and Giolitti in primis don't want that and he probably follow VEIII stance that who make the best offer get Italy.
On the other hand the parlamient will not be very happy, the Duke was a personal friend of D'Annunzio and Mussolini so image the type
 
The can use the excuse only if they want to start a dinastic and semiconstitutional crisis (there are provision in case a king die and the heir is too young, with a writen order about who get the job of regent) and Giolitti in primis don't want that and he probably follow VEIII stance that who make the best offer get Italy.
On the other hand the parlamient will not be very happy, the Duke was a personal friend of D'Annunzio and Mussolini so image the type
But the will of the king can be violated if the government does not like it

(From what I once read, Victor Emmanuel III's interventionist position in the government was due to his mother's authoritarian personality, while personally at the beginning of his rule he supported constitutional freedoms and did not care about interference because of his introverted personality.)

Correct me if I'm wrong

I think you once mentioned that Victor Emmanuel III hated the Duke of Aosta very much

Can Victor Emmanuel III be seen not writing in his will that his cousin becomes regent for his son and use this Parliament to set up a Council of Regency for Umberto II to finish off the remaining powers of the King

This is true, but Giovanni Giulti mentioned in his argument with Salandra that he preferred neutrality because Italy was not ready for war before he took the position of giving Italy more.
 
But the will of the king can be violated if the government does not like it

(From what I once read, Victor Emmanuel III's interventionist position in the government was due to his mother's authoritarian personality, while personally at the beginning of his rule he supported constitutional freedoms and did not care about interference because of his introverted personality.)

Correct me if I'm wrong

I think you once mentioned that Victor Emmanuel III hated the Duke of Aosta very much

Can Victor Emmanuel III be seen not writing in his will that his cousin becomes regent for his son and use this Parliament to set up a Council of Regency for Umberto II to finish off the remaining powers of the King

This is true, but Giovanni Giulti mentioned in his argument with Salandra that he preferred neutrality because Italy was not ready for war before he took the position of giving Italy more.
yes but as i said, it open a big constitutional crisis that nobody really want except the socialist and yes VE hated the Duke with enourmous passion (because he know he wanted his job).

He can try to do it but it will be extremely controversial, fought legally and open a crisis
 
yes but as i said, it open a big constitutional crisis that nobody really want except the socialist and yes VE hated the Duke with enourmous passion (because he know he wanted his job).

He can try to do it but it will be extremely controversial, fought legally and open a crisis
Can he name another person in his will as guardian of his son?

(I think Italy is bound by the Salic law which prevents his wife Elena from becoming regent. Does Parliament decide to repeal the Salic law to make her regent)

Or granting guardianship authority to the House of Representatives for its decision and a report from the persons suitable for the position

So he puts the ball in the hands of the Italian Parliament to decide who is the guardian of Umberto II
 
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