WI: Brazil Joins the Confederates in the American Civil War

*Brazilian here*

At the time of the civil war Brazil was attacked by paraguay, so there is no way to Brazil actually send soldiers to fight with the confederates, plus we would had nothing to gain for helping them

The closest you can have to that is having brazil to sell one of our dreandoughts to the confederates
 
*Brazilian here*

At the time of the civil war Brazil was attacked by paraguay, so there is no way to Brazil actually send soldiers to fight with the confederates, plus we would had nothing to gain for helping them

The closest you can have to that is having brazil to sell one of our dreandoughts to the confederates

Actually the ACW was already ended when the conflict with Paraguay started.

Couldn't they have sent the navy? It's not as if Brazil needs ships to fight Paraguay.
There is no way of sending troops to the Plata region withou the navy. Brazil in 1860's didn't have trains or efficient roads.
 
Could there just be generic international volunteers/foreign adventurers who go fight on behalf of the Southron slavocracy. Those who believe in the peculiar institution enough to fight for a bunch of planter aristocrats. And since Brazil has both slavers and aristocrats, albeit both on the wane, they happen to export more fighters than other nations who do? The concept is kind of cool, Latin American filibusters fighting in North America.

What nations would even have Confederate sympathizers willing to play reverse-Garibaldi? Would the British and French even have any private citizens who would be willing to die on behalf of slavery? Maybe Spaniards? Central Americans and Caribbean aristocrats? Reactionary Mexicans? Maybe they don't want to help the C.S., so much as they want to support them to keep the U.S. weak?

What countries besides the British and French even cared about the Confederacy? I don't think Maximilian did, he was too busy, and he was personally liberal.

I might make a new thread about this idea if it has any potential.
 
There is also the hard economic facts: we were making a profit out of the American Civil War. As the Southern cotton couldn't leave the harbours due to the Union blockade, we were trying to get some share of the former American cotton market (the production and export of cotton in Maranhão had a little boom at the time). Also, the USA was by that time already our greatest importer of coffee, mainly the North. So, why would we enter in a war to defend a competitor agaist our better commercial partner?
You do not make war on coffee. Coffee is king.
 
Couldn't they have sent the navy? It's not as if Brazil needs ships to fight Paraguay.

Brazilian Navy was mostly river-based and every bit would be needed against Paraguay since that was the best way into Paraguay, as the Brazilians found out when they marched an army overland and had to turn back because of massive losses to disease. And Paraguay was basically the "Prussia of Latin America" with a surprisingly big military at the time.

Could there just be generic international volunteers/foreign adventurers who go fight on behalf of the Southron slavocracy. Those who believe in the peculiar institution enough to fight for a bunch of planter aristocrats. And since Brazil has both slavers and aristocrats, albeit both on the wane, they happen to export more fighters than other nations who do? The concept is kind of cool, Latin American filibusters fighting in North America.

What nations would even have Confederate sympathizers willing to play reverse-Garibaldi? Would the British and French even have any private citizens who would be willing to die on behalf of slavery? Maybe Spaniards? Central Americans and Caribbean aristocrats? Reactionary Mexicans? Maybe they don't want to help the C.S., so much as they want to support them to keep the U.S. weak?

What countries besides the British and French even cared about the Confederacy? I don't think Maximilian did, he was too busy, and he was personally liberal.

I might make a new thread about this idea if it has any potential.

Central Americans didn't have much love for the South after William Walker's expeditions there. And I think most pro-slavery elites in foreign countries would rather just stay home and tend to their plantations than fight themselves. I guess maybe they could strike a deal with US plantation owners to transfer a few slaves/"immigrants" (for Latin American countries without slavery) their way if they send material aid?

Mexican reactionaries would have the further issue a lot were hyper-Catholics in a way the South would have difficulties overlooking (compared to other Catholics, at least).

I wonder how American Brazilian relations are going to develop after the CSA gets conquered. Supporting the losing side of a civil war tends to poison relations with the victor for a century at the very least.

Probably won't have huge impact, since by the time the US's anger could seriously hurt Brazil or its economy, it was decades after the Civil War. Brazil could just turn even more to Britain or even France at that point in case the US is pissed.
 
What if the Empire of Brazil joins the Confederate States of America against the United States of America during the American Civil War? Will this give the Confederates the boost it needs to win the war, or will it only slow down the inevitable American victory? Could this have an effect on the Uruguayan War?

The question is, why would they do it, and how could they really help? As Thanksforallthefish pointed out, it'd need one deep backstory.....although I also agree with him that it certainly would make for interesting reading.
 
Central Americans didn't have much love for the South after William Walker's expeditions there. And I think most pro-slavery elites in foreign countries would rather just stay home and tend to their plantations than fight themselves. I guess maybe they could strike a deal with US plantation owners to transfer a few slaves/"immigrants" (for Latin American countries without slavery) their way if they send material aid?

Okay, maybe the only possible foreign state to support them would be William Walker's Nicaragua from Dixie-1... not as if that state's existence is even feasible lol
 
Wait, bumping this one more time: what about Spain? They've got a Caribbean empire next door and a navy and everything. And they were mucking about in Mexico, too. Could they have gotten sucked into the Civil War, somehow? At least if the British and/or French were involved?
 
Wait, bumping this one more time: what about Spain? They've got a Caribbean empire next door and a navy and everything. And they were mucking about in Mexico, too. Could they have gotten sucked into the Civil War, somehow? At least if the British and/or French were involved?

They'd have lost their empire faster then they did Otl with rebellions opening up with Spain distracted with some completely doomed endeavor. And again it would have promoted the Americans to build up a blue water navy. Heck London and Paris might just get an opening to snag what's left of Madrids colonies in the chaos.
 

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Couldn't they have worked in conjunction with the British and the French?
Well as people who some might not like have pointed out France wasn't going to get involved what with it trying to set up a colony in Mexico, and Britain could get involved but it would at the very least not be seeing the short victorious war that some authors fantasize about.
 
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