WI: Bolsheviks had lost Russian Civil War

If the Bolsheviks had lost the Russian Civil War which of the many parties would have won? Would Russia have simply remained divided indefinitely?
 
It would probably have been followed by a military junta with reactionary White generals ruling it, I guess. Possibly with a transition to a faux-democratic republic or an autocratic monarchy, depending on how far to the right the ruling clique would be. I would say democracy would be right out of the window (most Whites know that left-wing forces such as the SRs would win and they wouldn't want that). I don't understand why it would have remained divided, though. An unstable, ungovernable mess, maybe, but whichever faction secured the bulk of European Russia would have eventually consolidated the rest.
 

Wendigo

Banned
Over 30 million people aren't starved, shot, worked to death, left to die from exposure, deported etc by Stalin.
 
Russia become like china
I'm tempted to agree with this. Even if the tsar were not killed, he already abdicated and the monarchy wasn't so popular in Russia. There were a handful of powerful generals and warlords who did terribly sharing power IOTL even with a single existential threat, so ITTL things would be even worse. That being said I don't think a warlord era would last as long in Russia as it did in China because the country is well-industrialized and has more modern institutions to reunify the country with.
 
Over 30 million people aren't starved, shot, worked to death, left to die from exposure, deported etc by Stalin.
The tsarist rule was much worse , at least during the Soviet era , Russians farmers lived better and their kids hadn't died from diseace , Russians words not mine .
 
Not for Ukrainian peasants under Stalin, for sure. After Stalin, that is quite possible.

Depends when and where. Russia had a ceaseless string of famines between 1892 and 1906, more or less. It was very bad. But the USSR had the post-Civil War famines on the Volga that actually prompted a large international relief effort, and then there were the 31-34 famines in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Russia that were even worse, and that's despite increased mechanisation and better techniques being introduced.

After the war, yeah. After WW2 things improved in general. The Soviet officials loved comparing everything to 1913 too :p
 
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If the Bolsheviks had lost the Russian Civil War which of the many parties would have won?
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If the Bolsheviks had lost the Russian Civil War which of the many parties would have won? Would Russia have simply remained divided indefinitely?
The problem with a question like that is that no single White faction had enough support to beat them. So, you have to wank up one of them, and whichever one gets lucky is the one that wins.
 
Best way for the Bolsheviks to lose would be for the right-SRs and their allies to seize control of Petrograd and/or Moscow at the very start and prevent the Constituent Assembly from being dissolved.
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
The problem with a question like that is that no single White faction had enough support to beat them. So, you have to wank up one of them, and whichever one gets lucky is the one that wins.

If the Whites can't win, can the Reds lose? Can the Communists turn on each other, split apart, and end up unable to assert sufficient control to withstand various White assaults?
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
How would a warlord Russia fare against Nazi Germany. If Russia is weak and divided then we could have a Nazi victory on our hands.

Would a warlord Russia be able to provide the economic support and sustenance that aided the Nazi rearmament?
 
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