WI : Battle of Mohacs lost by Ottomans

If the Ottomans are defeated by Hungarians and the sultan is killed in the Battle is there is it possible that the ottoman empire collaps?
Maybe revolts in the recently conquered territories such as Syria Egypt
 
I'm not sure how Ottomans could be really defeated at Mohacs, safe some earlier PoD significantly imparing their military and political resources at the point it may butterfly away or importantly change the hungarian campaign.

Simply said : Hungary went trough a lot of troubles and division at this point, and was fairly ripe enough to be taken by any remotly interested party neighbouring them. Significantly less military, financially, politically resources than Ottoman practically ensured Hungarian defeat even if Suleiman died in the battle.

You'd probably need a very different political situation in Hungary after the death of Corvinus to make it survive the Ottoman roller-compactor.
 
It is almost impossible - to say the least - that the Ottoman empire collapses even if Mohacs turns out to be a tactical Hungarian victory and Suleiman dies on the battlefield (both these events are quite unlikely: strangely enough the latter one may be more likely than the former. During the Hungarian attack, Suleiman armor was apparently hit by some arrows: if it really happened and the gods of chance are pro-Hungary the Sultan may die). The death of the Sultan might be the spark for a civil war among his heirs, but the Ottomans had a number of these civil wars and they never threathened the survival of the empire.
LSC has already outlined why the Hungarians were the underdogs, and their chance to manage a win were ridiculously low. From a military point of view, the Hungarian army could not be on par with the Ottoman one, even placing a better commander than Louis II at its head. Suleiman moved very cautiously even after the victory on the field, and it's likely that if there is a tactical Hungarian victory (or even a draw) the Ottomans might decide to give up the invasion. It is certain however that they would be back in a couple of years tops.

If there is to be a POD to make the Ottoman conquest of Hungary very hard or almost impossible, it could be the avoidance of the fall of the fortress of Belgrade (1521) or at least its immediate retaking by the Hungarians.
After the fall of the fortress, Louis II raised an army of 60,000 men to retake it: unfortunately logistics were not his best suit, and the army never went into action (but still lost thousands of men to famine and pestilence).
 
Actualy an Hungarian Victory is the PoD how it occurs does't matter,there were in history more battles were the presumed
victorie became at last a defeat.
A must make an apology for my real question is not if they could loose the Battle nut if the Empire vould collapse after a defear.
Who would for instance became the New ruler in the Ottoman Empire?
 
Whoever is the strongest.

Seriously though, Suleiman had 7 children in all. There were 4 sons born prior to the battle at Mohacs with the oldest one being approximately 11 years old. If none of the children are able to, then I am confident there are plenty of other family members that would be willing to fight for their shot at being sultan.
 
Whoever is the strongest.

Seriously though, Suleiman had 7 children in all. There were 4 sons born prior to the battle at Mohacs with the oldest one being approximately 11 years old. If none of the children are able to, then I am confident there are plenty of other family members that would be willing to fight for their shot at being sultan.
4 underage sons make the classic recipe for a civil war: who gains the (nominal) throne depends on who gets the support of the strongest faction
 
IMO a defeat at mohacs will actually make the Ottomans stronger, remember this was still it's period of ascendancy, when it had young sultan, there would be some sort of reforms, more roads will be built in the territories held in the Balkans to allow more troops to be sent to the border with the Hungarians, more men recruited etc
 
4 underage sons make the classic recipe for a civil war: who gains the (nominal) throne depends on who gets the support of the strongest faction
Hence why I started out the way I did in the post and mentioned if none of the children are able to then it would go to someone else. Fratricide was commonplace with the house of Osman and I would not be surprised if another family member had Suleiman's children killed off.
 
Actualy an Hungarian Victory is the PoD how it occurs does't matter,there were in history more battles were the presumed victorie became at last a defeat.
The PoD have to make some sense tough, in order to work. And Louis II's odds clearly didn't favoured him even before the campaign began, let alone the battle itself.
For a "presumed victory" to turn into defeat, you need to find something in the loosing side that could tip up the scales.

Louis II had less men, less political strength, less ressources, less logistics, less technological edge, less everything. Even if, by sheer luck, Suleiman died on battlefield and thatal Ottoman army somehow decided to call it a day (the tactic is otherwise known as "Battle of Endor round-up" and is notable to be essentially practiced by space-opera or fantasy world armies) it would have been at best a tactical stalemate before the next guy in charge in Stambul tries again.
But more seriously, even the death of the sultan wouldn't stop the army : Murad I died at Kosovo, and it didn't prevented Ottoman to score a major victory nevertheless (altough it proved costly, Ottomans simply had more resources there as well).

A must make an apology for my real question is not if they could loose the Battle nut if the Empire vould collapse after a defear.
Most probably not : Ottoman Empire wasn't, since centuries at this point, a dynastical state based mostly on personal leader capacities; but an imperial structure which could easily sruvive dynastical succession. You'd probably see revolts (such as IOTL ones in Central Asia that happened at this time), but nothing existentially threatening.

Who would for instance became the New ruler in the Ottoman Empire?
Sehzade Mustafa, likely. He was still young but already considered as a very competent and skilled person. Barring any "accident", you'll probably see him as a second Suleiman, who would have a minority rule supported by an efficient imperial structure.
 
Hence why I started out the way I did in the post and mentioned if none of the children are able to then it would go to someone else. Fratricide was commonplace with the house of Osman and I would not be surprised if another family member had Suleiman's children killed off.

MUI that each successful Sultan had any surviving siblings killed, so would there actually be any other family members? (Other than in-laws of course.)
 
Hence why I started out the way I did in the post and mentioned if none of the children are able to then it would go to someone else. Fratricide was commonplace with the house of Osman and I would not be surprised if another family member had Suleiman's children killed off.
I would be very much surprised: the Sultan has to come from the house of Osman. The winning faction will install his own candidate, chosen among the 4 male children of Suleiman.
 
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