WI: Balkans under the industrialized Ottoman Empire

Like the title says, assuming the Balkans (comprised of Albania, Greece, Macedonia, Bosnia, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria) have remained under rule of the Ottoman Empire, what will does the Balkan region would looked like under the industrialized Ottoman Empire?
 
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Bulgaria would become the industrial centre for the Ottomans, which would become a melting pot for the Slavic and Turkish people. You would see overall a lot more infrastructure in the Balkan region and more Turkish immigration toward the area.
 
Like the title says, assuming the Balkans (comprised of Greece, Macedonia, Bosnia, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria) have remained under rule of the Ottoman Empire, what will does the Balkan region would looked like under the industrialized Ottoman Empire?

Bosnia will be the centre for mining in the Balkans. It has large coal deposits. Bulgaria and Thrace will be the Industrial heart of the Balkans. I guess Greece will be largely ports for shipping and stuff.
 
Bulgaria would become the industrial centre for the Ottomans, which would become a melting pot for the Slavic and Turkish people. You would see overall a lot more infrastructure in the Balkan region and more Turkish immigration toward the area.
This is not how the Ottoman Empire worked. Or any contemporary Muslim states, for that matter. Also, based on historical experience there would be significant Christian immigration from the Ottoman Empire, even provided there are no violent episodes of ethnic cleansing.

Bulgaria and Thrace will be the Industrial heart of the Balkans.
This is a rather tautological and ambiguous wording.
 
This is not how the Ottoman Empire worked. Or any contemporary Muslim states, for that matter. Also, based on historical experience there would be significant Christian immigration from the Ottoman Empire, even provided there are no violent episodes of ethnic cleansing.

I don't understand why you're objecting to this. People move to places with jobs, different people interact, cultural quirks transfuse. Logically, Turks and Slavs/Muslims and Christians of many backgrounds will go to the place with the jobs. This theoretical OE would have to be different from it's OTL incarnation in many aspects, and I don't think you can have industrialization in the Balkans without lessened segregation and greater participation from Christians in Ottoman governance anyways. I don't see industrialization taking off in time for the OE to retain the borders stated in the OP if it's a top-down approach instead of something organic brought to the OE via Christian trade networks which necessitates Christians having better rights and more influence. By the time the OE could engage in top-down industrialization places like Romania and Serbia would be gone
 
I don't understand why you're objecting to this. People move to places with jobs, different people interact, cultural quirks transfuse. Logically, Turks and Slavs/Muslims and Christians of many backgrounds will go to the place with the jobs. This theoretical OE would have to be different from it's OTL incarnation in many aspects, and I don't think you can have industrialization in the Balkans without lessened segregation and greater participation from Christians in Ottoman governance anyways. I don't see industrialization taking off in time for the OE to retain the borders stated in the OP if it's a top-down approach instead of something organic brought to the OE via Christian trade networks which necessitates Christians having better rights and more influence. By the time the OE could engage in top-down industrialization places like Romania and Serbia would be gone
You're describing the daily reality of much of the Ottoman Empire. It certainly didn't lead to the merging of all these peoples in some Ottoman people (as you can speak of an American people). Now of course the utopian Ottoman Empire you imagine might work differently, it's just that getting it there is infinitesimally unlikely (and would more than likely still lead to the loss of Bulgaria, if more peacefully).
 
You're describing the daily reality of much of the Ottoman Empire. It certainly didn't lead to the merging of all these peoples in some Ottoman people (as you can speak of an American people). Now of course the utopian Ottoman Empire you imagine might work differently, it's just that getting it there is infinitesimally unlikely (and would more than likely still lead to the loss of Bulgaria, if more peacefully).

No one's mentioned an erasure of identity by interacting with others into one Ottoman identity and some utopian Balkan paradise but okay
 
No one's mentioned an erasure of identity by interacting with others into one Ottoman identity and some utopian Balkan paradise but okay
Isn't this what is meant under "melting pot"? And utopian is a shorthand for the best possible events taking place.
 
Isn't this what is meant under "melting pot"? And utopian is a shorthand for the best possible events taking place.

Not even close. It just means positive interactions between different groups to the point of accommodation and cross-cultural loaning. Melting pot is used primarily when speaking about America and doesn't refer to assimilation, even if common cultural trends tend to emerge from it.
 
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