WI B.A.C 3-11 co-developed with Douglas Aircraft.

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The BAC 3-11 aircraft was a wide body design proposal in the Airbus A300 class with a standard seating capacity between 200 to 250 passengers.

Fitted with rear mounted Spey's, eventually leading to the fitting of a RB-211 variant, the design suffered from a in built designed "deep stall" problem from arising from the rear engine configuration.

With Hawker Siddeley proposing to join Airbus, the UK govt couldn't afford to give money to start up both proposals, so the 3-11 design was shelved.

What if, BAC re-designed it's proposal and went for a normal under wing engine configuration plus removing the T-tail thus negating the "deep stall" problem?

Then BAC went over to Douglas, later McDonnell Douglas an offered them a possible partnership possibly McD 70%- BAC 30% shares.? This would allow Douglas to market an aircraft to do battle with the upcoming Boeing 767.

I was thinking of the following versions with a start of deliveries around 1980.

Due to the 3-11 proposal getting airborne before the MD-11, I've given this aircraft the MD-11 designation. The original MD-11 will be called the MD-12, and as a consequence the MD-12 will be called the MD-14.

MD-11

100 Series 200-250 seats
200 Series 250-300 seats
300 series ER 200-250 seats

Possible further developments post 1980

KC-11 Tanker/Transport (for the USAF)
EC-11 AWAC's

Would all this be possible/

Regards filers
 
The BAC 3-11 aircraft was a wide body design proposal in the Airbus A300 class with a standard seating capacity between 200 to 250 passengers.

Fitted with rear mounted Spey's, eventually leading to the fitting of a RB-211 variant, the design suffered from a in built designed "deep stall" problem from arising from the rear engine configuration.

With Hawker Siddeley proposing to join Airbus, the UK govt couldn't afford to give money to start up both proposals, so the 3-11 design was shelved.

What if, BAC re-designed it's proposal and went for a normal under wing engine configuration plus removing the T-tail thus negating the "deep stall" problem?

Then BAC went over to Douglas, later McDonnell Douglas an offered them a possible partnership possibly McD 70%- BAC 30% shares.? This would allow Douglas to market an aircraft to do battle with the upcoming Boeing 767.

I was thinking of the following versions with a start of deliveries around 1980.

Due to the 3-11 proposal getting airborne before the MD-11, I've given this aircraft the MD-11 designation. The original MD-11 will be called the MD-12, and as a consequence the MD-12 will be called the MD-14.

MD-11

100 Series 200-250 seats
200 Series 250-300 seats
300 series ER 200-250 seats

Possible further developments post 1980

KC-11 Tanker/Transport (for the USAF)
EC-11 AWAC's

Would all this be possible/

Regards filers

Douglas once was the King of airplanes by this time the best they could do was the DC-10. The MD-11 while not out yet was an upgraded DC-10 that was updated but had more fuel consumption, avionics ect. I am guessing that the DC-10 would be the basis and if BAC 30% shares would have made it. Remember from the late 1950's until 1969 Douglas was the Standard with Boieing be s long second. Suddenly McDonnell Douglas was the second best.
 
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