WI: Axis fight on in the mountains

What if instead if surrendering, the Axis flee for the alps and form a sucessor movement there? How long could it last? Would the allies ever recognize them? What if any land could they control

Could we see hitler and mussolini linking up and fighting together until the end?

POD:After January 1, 1945
 
The national redoubt was purely propaganda... its not really in the German mindset to do that I think; because it requires Hitler to accept that he can't win the conventional war and start making alternative plans... and even in his last dying days, he thought he could still somehow win in a regular ground war

and even the most fanatical of nazi's like model, keitel and goebbles didn't think it was an idea that would work out

the allies and soviets would have no problem, starving, bombing and or wmd'ing any redoubt they didn't feel like assaulting
 
I don't think it's impossible, but I don't think such resistance would last all that long. And to what point?... not that diehard Nazis are all that logical to begin with.
 
I think eventually the Nazi partisans will splinter, with the Soviets and Americans quietly supporting different groups. Certainly if the guerilla war goes long enough, the Americans will lose interest in fighting it.
 
Don't think a longer guerilla war is possible because:
-the Allies had too many boots on the ground (we are talking of millions here) and were to determined to eradicated the nazis
-by jan 1945 many if not most of the real fanatics had allready died on the eastern front
-the Austrian and Bavarian countryside was not a nazi stronghold. Don't be fooled by Munich beeing "Hauptstadt der Bewegung", this is one of the areas were the nazis did worst in elections (~ 25% in southern Bavaria in 1932). A lot of people (catholics in the countryside, social democrats in the cities) should be willing to work with the allies against a nazi underground movement.
 

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Patton’s Third Army arrives at the gates of the National Redoubt in May of 1945.

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The national redoubt was purely propaganda...

What's more, the actual Goebbels propaganda was partly prompted by intercepted US intelligence speculation about the possibility of a German National Redoubt. This was a OSS report written by Allen Dulles in Switzerland; it found its way into the hands of a local Nazi boss in Southern Germany, who then made it a mission to get the idea to the Führer. Strange, but AFAIK true. Thus when Allied intelligence operatives later interpreted Nazi propaganda and troop movements to suggest a fortress being built in the Alps as validating their earlier assumptions, they had no idea it was all a huge make-believe they had themselves partly started.
 
What if instead if surrendering, the Axis flee for the alps and form a sucessor movement there? How long could it last? Would the allies ever recognize them? What if any land could they control

Could we see hitler and mussolini linking up and fighting together until the end?

POD:After January 1, 1945

one big problem: supply
they need Food & water wat they get from the alps
but they need for Combat is Ammo, fuel for war machines, spare parts etc
they can't trow sticks and stones at ally bomber who drop A-Bomb
who take out the last refuge of the Nazis once and for all
 
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