WI:AustroHungarian Empire merges with France

France hated Austria at the time I'm pretty sure, and I don't think France had any available heirs either.
 
Hmm let's see even if this scenario which is asb happened expect another succestion war similiar to war of spanish succestion
Implausible because habsburgs were fierce bourbon rivals
 
Britain, Prussia and Russia gang up to beat the living shit out of the SUPER CATHOLIC ULTRACOUNTRY. The Balance of Power meter would go apeshit. I suspect the Ottos might also join in. I suspect the two countries will be forcefully separated, with opportunistic gains in the wider world for Britain (off of France) and gains in Germany and the Balkans (and Poland) for the two conservative Empires. If the Ottos invade, then we could see Ottoman Hungary reborn. Or Ottoman Croatia.

Either way, this is ASB.
 
But Ottos and Austrians hate each other, and the other Central/Eastern European powers will be happy to divide up the dynastically unified country. Ottos only allied France to stop Austria. Now though...
 
Impossible. At the time of her birth (in 1717), the French King was the seven year old Louis XV. He was wedded in 1725, and his first son, Louis, was born in 1729 (when Maria Theresa was 12). I said first son a Louis XV had a second son, Philip, who was born in 1730 but died three years later.

Maria Theresa married in 1736, when the Dauphin Louis was 7. She was 19, and thus too old to be bethroed to a child. Louis XV would have been a better macth (he was 26) had he not already been married to his Polish wife (won't write her name as I'm sure to make a mistake).

Besides, two things forbid the plausibility of this marriage :

1) The Rivalry between the Hapsburg and Bourbons, which had culminated during the War of Spanish Sucession (where Maria Theresa's father tried to claim the Spanish Crown) in 1700. Of course, a mariage linked to a treaty could have happened, but Maria Theresa was Charles VI's only daughter and he would clearly not have gone for a French prince.

2) France and Austria were the two strongest powers in Continental Europe. Prussia, Britian and Russia wouldn't have accepted a Personnal Union between France and Austria.
 

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As others have stated it's ASB because the Austro- Hungarian Empire didn't yet exist during Maria Theresa's regime and a union between the Habsburgs and Bourbons would have been completely unthinkable because of the mutual hatred between the Houses. Also as Yorel stated there were no suitable Bourbon heirs to marry Maria Theresa. Add the fact that the other powers would never accept such a union and that the HRE wouldn't look forward to a possibility that the king of France is crowned emperor.
 
Others have said all necessary about the profound improbability and unworkability of the scenario, I just wanted to contribute a small pedantry, which is that Maria Theresa wasn't the only daughter of Charles VI. Her younger sister Maria Anna lived to adulthood, married the younger brother of her brother-in-law Francis of Lorraine, and died from complications following the birth of a stillborn child. Oh, and it's Leszczyńska. Easy. Did I cheat and paste that in? You betcha.
 
Others have said all necessary about the profound improbability and unworkability of the scenario, I just wanted to contribute a small pedantry, which is that Maria Theresa wasn't the only daughter of Charles VI. Her younger sister Maria Anna lived to adulthood, married the younger brother of her brother-in-law Francis of Lorraine, and died from complications following the birth of a stillborn child. Oh, and it's Leszczyńska. Easy. Did I cheat and paste that in? You betcha.
Thanks.

The reason I was posting this is because Austro-Hungary broke apart while France didn't, Hungary did Magyarization in the Austro-Hungary and France did the same..
 
Domenic said:
Others have said all necessary about the profound improbability and unworkability of the scenario, I just wanted to contribute a small pedantry, which is that Maria Theresa wasn't the only daughter of Charles VI. Her younger sister Maria Anna lived to adulthood, married the younger brother of her brother-in-law Francis of Lorraine, and died from complications following the birth of a stillborn child. Oh, and it's Leszczyńska. Easy. Did I cheat and paste that in? You betcha.

My bad on the fact Charles VI had another daughter. I didn't know that.
As for Leszczynska, I'll admit I'm beaten :p. I didn't wrote it as I couldn't rememeber it eaxctly and you have to admit it's not easy to wright (I know few names with "szcz" combination, but that might be due to a lack of polish names).

kasumigenx said:
The reason I was posting this is because Austro-Hungary broke apart while France didn't, Hungary did Magyarization in the Austro-Hungary and France did the same..

Sorry, but that comparison doesn't really make sense to me...

France has always been inhabited by one, and only one, kind of people who spoke the same language, which is French. Sure, you have the many regional dialects, but French is rather unified language compared to other : a Toulousain's maner of speach is not different from a Parisian, or Alsacian except for small different accent.
You may mention Occitan, but that's a languages derived from Latin, like French. There are several similarities (as there are with other Romance Languages) and a French can partially understands an Occitan if he pays attention.
Lastly, you tend to forgot the work of Francis I who had the François (an old form of French) become the National Language with the Ordonnance de Villers-Cotterêts. Thus, you had language unity starting around the 1500s, at least for the elite. Local dialects were still used, I'll admit, but French was the administrative language and it later played heavily on how people spoke, leading to a National Language unity.
Another thing that played out is that the French Kings heavily contributed in making French the National Language of France : they inherited every fiefs that made France and the French Royal Dosmaine became the whole kingdom with Henri IV in 1589. And France never experience Personnal Union, except with the small Kingdom of Navarra.
One last thing is that Bretons, Gascons, Parisians, Alsatians or Marseillais all shared a lot of common points in their culture. Divergences were relatively few.

Austria-Hungary is a complete different story : it was born out of what the Hapsburgs had inherited. They were Archdukes of Austria, Kings of Bohemia, Hungary, Croatia-Slavonia and Galicia, etc...
Austria is completely Germanophone, even if it doesn't have the same dialect as Germany. Bohemia also had a Germanophone population, but the main language is Czech, a slavic language who has few similarities to the germanic languages such as German or English.
Croatia-Slavonia and Galicia were majorly inhabited by slavic people, (Slovenians, Croatians, Poles, Ukrainians) who spoke different slavic dialect, who (as I said with Czechs) have few similarities with German.
And what about Hungary? Hungarian isn't even an Indo-European language! Similarities to German or Slavic Languages are very VERY few.
Not to mention that you have very different cultures cohabiting in the same country. There never was National Unity in the Austro-Hungarian Unity : it was impossible to make. The whole Austro-Hungarian Empire was born out of several personnal Union caused by the Hapsburgs.

You can't compare what is uncomparable.
France was composed by people speaking one language with very close dialects while Austria-Hungary was composed by people speaking several different languages.
France had national unity, Austria-Hungary didn't.
The French people have few differences in culture. Austrians are completely different to Hungarians, Czechs or Poles.
 
My bad on the fact Charles VI had another daughter. I didn't know that.
As for Leszczynska, I'll admit I'm beaten :p. I didn't wrote it as I couldn't rememeber it eaxctly and you have to admit it's not easy to wright (I know few names with "szcz" combination, but that might be due to a lack of polish names).



Sorry, but that comparison doesn't really make sense to me...

France has always been inhabited by one, and only one, kind of people who spoke the same language, which is French. Sure, you have the many regional dialects, but French is rather unified language compared to other : a Toulousain's maner of speach is not different from a Parisian, or Alsacian except for small different accent.
You may mention Occitan, but that's a languages derived from Latin, like French. There are several similarities (as there are with other Romance Languages) and a French can partially understands an Occitan if he pays attention.
Lastly, you tend to forgot the work of Francis I who had the François (an old form of French) become the National Language with the Ordonnance de Villers-Cotterêts. Thus, you had language unity starting around the 1500s, at least for the elite. Local dialects were still used, I'll admit, but French was the administrative language and it later played heavily on how people spoke, leading to a National Language unity.
Another thing that played out is that the French Kings heavily contributed in making French the National Language of France : they inherited every fiefs that made France and the French Royal Dosmaine became the whole kingdom with Henri IV in 1589. And France never experience Personnal Union, except with the small Kingdom of Navarra.
One last thing is that Bretons, Gascons, Parisians, Alsatians or Marseillais all shared a lot of common points in their culture. Divergences were relatively few.

Austria-Hungary is a complete different story : it was born out of what the Hapsburgs had inherited. They were Archdukes of Austria, Kings of Bohemia, Hungary, Croatia-Slavonia and Galicia, etc...
Austria is completely Germanophone, even if it doesn't have the same dialect as Germany. Bohemia also had a Germanophone population, but the main language is Czech, a slavic language who has few similarities to the germanic languages such as German or English.
Croatia-Slavonia and Galicia were majorly inhabited by slavic people, (Slovenians, Croatians, Poles, Ukrainians) who spoke different slavic dialect, who (as I said with Czechs) have few similarities with German.
And what about Hungary? Hungarian isn't even an Indo-European language! Similarities to German or Slavic Languages are very VERY few.
Not to mention that you have very different cultures cohabiting in the same country. There never was National Unity in the Austro-Hungarian Unity : it was impossible to make. The whole Austro-Hungarian Empire was born out of several personnal Union caused by the Hapsburgs.

You can't compare what is uncomparable.
France was composed by people speaking one language with very close dialects while Austria-Hungary was composed by people speaking several different languages.
France had national unity, Austria-Hungary didn't.
The French people have few differences in culture. Austrians are completely different to Hungarians, Czechs or Poles.
You pointed one of the reasons you stated are the reasons why Spain and France were hard to break because both speak romance languages.
 
Well, if it had come into being, the Franco-Austro-Hungarian Empire is born. FAHE for short. Not that it would exsist, but it would be cool.
 
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