WI:Austro-Prussian landswap

WI:Austro-Prussian landswap and Poland a part of Austria Hungary

Is it possible for the Habsburgs to give up German speaking Austria in exchange for Posen and Pomerelia and the Habsburgs annex Congress Poland..how could this happen?
 
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Why would they give up Austria? That's like the British giving up England in exchange for Ireland, the Habsburgs came from Austria, were German speakers and had their eyes on German domination for the better part of a millennium.

I'm pretty sure that the Habsburgs would rather give up Hungary and the rest of the empire than give up Austria

To be honest, truly asb, also in the wrong Forum.
 
First: what are the "German speaking parts of Austria"? Is this OTL Austrian Federal Republic? What about Burgenland, a part of Hungary back then? what about the Sudetenland? South Tyrol? Vorderösterreich?

Why would they give up Austria? That's like the British giving up England in exchange for Ireland, the Habsburgs came from Austria, were German speakers and had their eyes on German domination for the better part of a millennium.

I'm pretty sure that the Habsburgs would rather give up Hungary and the rest of the empire than give up Austria

To be honest, truly asb, also in the wrong Forum.

I agree with everything besides it being ASB. After 1800, it's ASB. Before that, strange land swaps occured without anybody listening to the population. AFAIK, that Wittelsbach prince actually was in favour of giving away his ancestral homeland Bavaria against the Austrian Netherlands.

Thus, strange land swaps could happen in the Congresses of the 18th century.

However, to have the Hapsburgs agree to a land swap of such an extent, you'd need a major war that leaves large parts of Europe up for the grab, the Hapsburgs loosing badly, probably driven out of their homelands, but still surviving strong somewhere else.

In all likelyhood, the Hapsburgs will not accept a swap against merely two provinces of Poland, with a sizeable Protestant population, isolated from all other Hapsburgs possessions. For such a swap to even be considered, you'd have to give them Poland. Absolutist Poland, to be more specific. After a major war and Austria being occupied.

I'd love to read that timeline - but I guess you'd need a rather early POD...
 
I agree with everything besides it being ASB. After 1800, it's ASB. Before that, strange land swaps occured without anybody listening to the population. AFAIK, that Wittelsbach prince actually was in favour of giving away his ancestral homeland Bavaria against the Austrian Netherlands.
Well, he was actually from the Palatinate branch of the Wittelsbachs rather than the earlier Bavarian branch: He only had enough of a claim on Bavaria to consider that deal because the earlier Bavarian branch had just died out...

(Mind you, if the Prussians hadn't intervened to stop that deal -- perhaps because of Frederick the Great dying earlier than IOTL -- then the swap could have had interesting butterflies later on...)
 
I was thinking of the Habsburgs creating the Międzymorze of Pilsudski and annex Congress Poland and swap Austria for Pomerelia and Posen..I thought you'd figure it out.
 
I was thinking of the Habsburgs creating the Międzymorze of Pilsudski and annex Congress Poland and swap Austria for Pomerelia and Posen..I thought you'd figure it out.

It's still ASB. The Habsburgs were Austrian, they are not going to sell Austria.
 
The Habsburgs are not quite Austrian; they originally came from Switzerland. Austria was a posession they acquired, like everything else.

But I think they would need something pretty big in exchange for it and not after 1800, as somebody else pointed out.
 
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