WI Atlantis discovered

[WorldWarZ]

WI Atlantis oir more specifically ruins and proof or a somehwat exisiting remnant of the 'culture and peoples' was discovered before 1900 by any group, people, empire?

Ramifacations?(sp?)
What would the world lbe like now id said occurred.

Example. WI the Romans had discovered Atlantian ruins/culture
WI The Ottomans had discovered Atlantian ruins/culture


and so forth. its because Im interested in writing a story involving Atlantian ruins and people

 

[Noravea]

Well, I think Harry Turtledove wrote a book on something similar.

What about ruins found in modern day though.



I could see maybe the Romans trying to rebuild it, make it a Province, maybe the British would colonize it later on.

 

[Dialga]

I thought Atlantis was based on a real-world place, namely Minoan Crete. So no real WI here.

 

[Noravea]

I think he means this Atlantis.

 

[DuQuense]

Past the Pillars of Hercules -- Halfway to Libya

Thing is there are lots of -Greek/Neo Greek- Ruins around the Eastern Mediterranean.
I doubt if the discover of one more will have any lasting effect.

 

[Alex Richards]

there is a novel called Atlantis available by David Gibbons (who also wrote Crusader Gold and The Last Gospel) in which he combines Atlantis with the Black Sea flood event to postulate that Atlantis may be off the Northern Coast of Turkey, that the flooding is the origin of the great flood stories (e.g. Noah, Gilgamesh) and that the city was the origin of the Indo-European civilization/culture, which then went through a diaspora following the collapse of Atlantean civilization. Suffice to say, the ramifications of the discovery of, in effect the mother-nation for all of Europe, the Middle East, India and North Africa would be huge.

 

[WorldWarZ]

ruins found in modern day, consequences?

and wouldnt the ancient location for Atlantis be crete/santorini or sicily really?

and throwing it out here, asb time. the phoenicians being a continuance of atlantian maritime prowess

 

[Michael Busch]

ASB, I'm afraid. The butterflies from having a large landmass upwind and up-current of Europe at any time in the past are impressive.

 

[WorldWarZ]

Ok then. A land mass, crete say. not the HUGE mega land that people claim it was. But an empire that was similar to the stylinsg of the phoenicians who would trade and expand through trade. Spreading their culture everywhere.

But a small central hub. The TRUE atlantis being a singular island city brought to ruins by a cataclysm. Anything able to be worked off of those lines?

 

[Emperor Qianlong]

In my opinion, Atlantis is a mix of historically existing entities:

1. The city of Tartessos (located "beyond the pillars of Hercules" at the mouth of the Guadalqivir river). The Tartessians also trade with copper ore "orichalcum" from Pre-Celtic Britain.
2. The island of Santorini (sank into the sea)
3. The Minoan civilization (obviously related with the above)
4. Hagar Qim (ruins of a stone age civilization located on Malta, which existed approximately 2800 years prior the time of Plato)

 

[WorldWarZ]

In my opinion, Atlantis is a mix of historically existing entities:

1. The city of Tartessos (located "beyond the pillars of Hercules" at the mouth of the Guadalqivir river). The Tartessians also trade with copper ore "orichalcum" from Pre-Celtic Britain.
2. The island of Santorini (sank into the sea)
3. The Minoan civilization (obviously related with the above)
4. Hagar Qim (ruins of a stone age civilization located on Malta, which existed approximately 2800 years prior the time of Plato)

So how can we get these 4 points to converge into being the same thing? Is there a way

 

[Cornelius]

In my opinion, Atlantis is a mix of historically existing entities:

1. The city of Tartessos (located "beyond the pillars of Hercules" at the mouth of the Guadalqivir river). The Tartessians also trade with copper ore "orichalcum" from Pre-Celtic Britain.
2. The island of Santorini (sank into the sea)
3. The Minoan civilization (obviously related with the above)
4. Hagar Qim (ruins of a stone age civilization located on Malta, which existed approximately 2800 years prior the time of Plato)

I'd like to add a fifth: Sardinia.

An italian journalist, Sergio Frau, wrote a book supporting the hypothesis that Sardinia could have been the historical basis for Atlantis. In fact, if you move the "pillars of Hercules" from Gibilterra to the strait between Tunisia and Sicily, you'll note that the western mediterrean and Sardinia match Plato's description quite well. Besides Frau noted that the sardinian people did have contacts with egyptians for a while (they served as mercenaries for Ramesses II, IIRC) ansd were probably connected to the Sea People.
The myth of the destruction of Atlantis caused by the Wrath of Poseidon, could be an allegory for a tsunami (the area is sismic) and, according to Frau, the survivors could be linked to the etrurians which seems to emerge during the period.

I've never read the book, so I can't tell how much good is (if any), but since we are talking about a myth...

 

[corditeman]

Ran across Jurgen Spanuth's book 'Atlantis of the North' in which he used sailing directions and mineralogy to identify Atlantis as Heligoland, or rather the now-flooded peninsula west from the Danish coast. He thought orichalcum was amber, worth its weight in gold in ancient Greece.

However...I have to say that the Santorin / Thera excavations rather point to a genuine 'Atlantis' as being the Aegean Empire of Minoan Crete, which was weakened (if not devastated) by events in the Thera caldera. The description of Atlantis Solon gave would fit a dissected caldera rim around a lagoon with the island city in the centre.

An Atlantis like a super-sized Iceland, but in the path of the Gulf Stream due west of France and Spain, would either split or deflect the Gulf Stream, causing a colder climate for Western Europe but also possibly a warmer climate for Norway and Eastern Greenland. The snag is that it would probably be bisected by a rift valley and a chain of volcanoes or be subject to flood basalts. The worst risk is something like the Deccan Traps, which are believed to have triggered climate changes.

 

[WorldWarZ]

I tend to lean towards the mediterranean Atlantian theory. So what are the consequences if ruins and proof definitive of an Alantian culture emerge and are shown to the world?

 

[Emperor Qianlong]

I'd like to add a fifth: Sardinia.

An italian journalist, Sergio Frau, wrote a book supporting the hypothesis that Sardinia could have been the historical basis for Atlantis. In fact, if you move the "pillars of Hercules" from Gibilterra to the strait between Tunisia and Sicily, you'll note that the western mediterrean and Sardinia match Plato's description quite well. Besides Frau noted that the sardinian people did have contacts with egyptians for a while (they served as mercenaries for Ramesses II, IIRC) ansd were probably connected to the Sea People.
The myth of the destruction of Atlantis caused by the Wrath of Poseidon, could be an allegory for a tsunami (the area is sismic) and, according to Frau, the survivors could be linked to the etrurians which seems to emerge during the period.

I've never read the book, so I can't tell how much good is (if any), but since we are talking about a myth...

Ran across Jurgen Spanuth's book 'Atlantis of the North' in which he used sailing directions and mineralogy to identify Atlantis as Heligoland, or rather the now-flooded peninsula west from the Danish coast. He thought orichalcum was amber, worth its weight in gold in ancient Greece.

However...I have to say that the Santorin / Thera excavations rather point to a genuine 'Atlantis' as being the Aegean Empire of Minoan Crete, which was weakened (if not devastated) by events in the Thera caldera. The description of Atlantis Solon gave would fit a dissected caldera rim around a lagoon with the island city in the centre.

An Atlantis like a super-sized Iceland, but in the path of the Gulf Stream due west of France and Spain, would either split or deflect the Gulf Stream, causing a colder climate for Western Europe but also possibly a warmer climate for Norway and Eastern Greenland. The snag is that it would probably be bisected by a rift valley and a chain of volcanoes or be subject to flood basalts. The worst risk is something like the Deccan Traps, which are believed to have triggered climate changes.

Folks, my point is that Atlantis doesn't need to have one single point of origin. I got the impression that Atlantis was actually a piece of fiction (given the ambiguous reaction of his contemporaries, I strongly get that suspicion!), my point is actually that it's most probably cobbled together from several sources (and a few details of his description can be very obviously linked to Santorini, Tartessos and Hagar Qim). If that is the case, then I'd say, yes, 'Atlantis' has already been found.

 

[The Professor]

Folks, my point is that Atlantis doesn't need to have one single point of origin. I got the impression that Atlantis was actually a piece of fiction (given the ambiguous reaction of his contemporaries, I strongly get that suspicion!), my point is actually that it's most probably cobbled together from several sources (and a few details of his description can be very obviously linked to Santorini, Tartessos and Hagar Qim). If that is the case, then I'd say, yes, 'Atlantis' has already been found.

And don't forget the millennia old atlantic trade network that the Greeks and Tartessans linked into every so often.

 

[yourworstnightmare]

Atlantis is Aliens Spacebats and Other Magics, and everyone should know why. Atlantis is in the Pegasus Galaxy and it would be impossible for ancient humans to reach it.

(Serioulsy it's ASB).

 

[boredatwork]

Before anyone can answer the OPs question, we need to agree on what is meant by "Atlantis" - what is it that is actually discovered?

Ruins on Crete?

Similarities between defunct cultures across the med?

The concept of the Ice-age ending and rising sea levels flooding the black sea/med?

Or are we talking about aliens with magic crystals who turn into fish-people worshiping squid-headed space-tourists?

 

[Dave Howery]

in my younger days, I had a deep interest in the idea of Atlantis, and read a couple dozen books on the subject. Atlantis has been theorized as having actually been Spitzbergen or Antarctica and pretty much every place in between. I've read a few that theorized that Atlantis really was a 'lost continent' that sunk in the Atlantic (or the Pacific), including a rather bizarre one by Charles Berlitz (the king of wacky historical theories) Nowadays, I lean towards the idea of "Plato made it up as a model for his perfect society".

As for the OP.... just where do these ruins turn up, and how does anyone know that they are from Atlantis?

 

[WorldWarZ]

in my younger days, I had a deep interest in the idea of Atlantis, and read a couple dozen books on the subject. Atlantis has been theorized as having actually been Spitzbergen or Antarctica and pretty much every place in between. I've read a few that theorized that Atlantis really was a 'lost continent' that sunk in the Atlantic (or the Pacific), including a rather bizarre one by Charles Berlitz (the king of wacky historical theories) Nowadays, I lean towards the idea of "Plato made it up as a model for his perfect society".

As for the OP.... just where do these ruins turn up, and how does anyone know that they are from Atlantis?

-Ruins of a society with a mish-mash of cultures existing far from their original source
- A ruin far away of a culture that has no recorded history of being there or even visiting
-Gifts from exisiting cultures i.e. phoenicians, egyptians etc to an atlantian king, clearly marked "king of atlantis" or w.e.