WI: Arthur and Henry Tudor die, Edmund lives

Basically as the tin says, what if both Arthur and Henry Tudor, sons of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, died but their infant son Edmund lived? What happens to Catherine? Who does Edmund marry? What impact does this have on Henry VII, whether Elizabeth dies or lives is up to you. Impact on England?
 
Edmund would come to the throne aged ~10 if his father dies on schedule. What would the regency look like?
 
I doodled ideas for an Edmund timeline a few months ago with a friend - we reached 1726 and Queen Euphemia - but this is what we had for Edmund.

The children of Henry VII had a monumental run of bad luck - Arthur, Prince of Wales, dies of a sweating sickness mere months after his wedding in 1502 and Henry, Duke of York, at that point betrothed to his brothers widow, Catherine of Aragon, dies after a fall from a horse in 1507. This leaves Henry VII convinced Catherine is seriously bad luck and the new heir being Edmund, Duke of Somerset, barely ten when his father dies in 1509.

The choice of Regent was a difficult decision for the Privy Council to make - a choice from the Tudor line was unthinkable and a Yorkist selection would be problematic at best. A happy medium was a joint recency between Edmunds aunt, Anne of York, and her husband, Thomas Howard, the Duke of Norfolk. The Regent and his Regent Consort saw the betrothal of the young King (which had been curiously overlooked until then) as their first task - and their sights settled on a French match, offering Calais to the French King in return for breaking his daughters engagement to Francis, son of the Count of Angouleme. But this consideration was countered by the presentation of Eleanor of Austria, who had previously been courted as a wife for the deceased Duke of York,to the court of the Regents.

In the end, France triumphed - Edmund was betrothed to Claude of France, Calais was returned to the French and Edmunds sister was betrothed to Claudes former betrothed, Francis, who later became the King of France.

With the attempt to broker a betrothal to Claude of France, Anne of York and Thomas Howard refused to participate in Pope Julius II's Anti-French Holy League in 1511 and the ensuing tense relationship between England and the devoutly Catholic Spain was the major factor in determining the choice of Claude of France as Edmunds bride - or so the Regent and the Regent Consort would claim, despite latter historians claiming it was because Eleanor was tainted by her familial connection to Catherine of Aragon.

Major milestones in Edmunds thirty-seven year reign was the 1535 Laws in Wales Act which combined England and Wales into a single country and the following years 2nd Succession Act which set out the order of succession to the crown (after exhausting all claimants derived from his own issue, moving via the descendants of his elder sister Margaret and subsequently his younger sister Mary) and the brief hostilities with France in the final few years of his reign (precipitated by the marriage of Eleanor of Austria to King Francis following the death of Edmunds sister Mary and Eleanor's first husband, King Manuel of Portugal), culminating in the Treaty of Calais in 1546 and the return of Calais to the English for a period of ten years.

Edmund and Claude had seven children but only four of these lived past thirty: one would be destined to become the [King/Queen] of England and another would inherit the Dukedom of Brittany. When Claude died in 1534, Edmund sought a second marriage and settled on Mary Howard, the daughter of his former Regent, Thomas Howard (through his second marriage), who had been betrothed to Edmunds son, Richard, until his death of consumption in 1534 mere weeks after his mother. Mary and Edmund produced no surviving heirs and she outlived him by just short of a decade - being granted the courtesy title of Duchess of Somerset, Edmunds pre-regnal title, for the final ten years of her life.

Edmund dies of consumption (much like his son Richard twelve years earlier) in 1546 and the throne passes to ...
 
I think Henry VII will marry Katherine of Aragon hoping to have another son or two by her and Edmund will be engaged to Eleanor of Austria. If Henry and Katherine had a son he will not be named Duke of York (reserved for Edmund's second son) but his title will be Somerset, Bedford, Pembroke or Richmond.
 
I think Henry VII will marry Katherine of Aragon hoping to have another son or two by her and Edmund will be engaged to Eleanor of Austria. If Henry and Katherine had a son he will not be named Duke of York (reserved for Edmund's second son) but his title will be Somerset, Bedford, Pembroke or Richmond.

Are they also named Henry?
 
H7 is excommunicated and probably all of England as well. These are the Spanish Inquisition Monarchs (pope's favorites!) we're discussing and a brand-spanking new English monarch who murdered his predecessor to get the crown. England's reputation is shit (not that it was thought well of at that point, anyway). H7 has just made it impossible for England to be trusted.
 
Posited OTL after Elizabeth of York's death. Answer from Spanish monarchs: Hell NO!
Henry jr Prince of Wales was old enough to be a prospective husband for Katherine while Edmund is fourteen years younger than Katherine so nobody will propose a wedding between them.
Here Ferdinand (Isabella is already dead) can very well say: yes, you can marry her while Henry's engagement to Eleanor of Austria will be transferred to the new prince of Wales
 
H7 is excommunicated and probably all of England as well. These are the Spanish Inquisition Monarchs (pope's favorites!) we're discussing and a brand-spanking new English monarch who murdered his predecessor to get the crown. England's reputation is shit (not that it was thought well of at that point, anyway). H7 has just made it impossible for England to be trusted.
Isabella is dead. Ferdinand has other trouble and considering the actual prince of Wales is way too young for Catherine, well sure she can marry Henry VII now.
 
Katherine wedding H7 was vetoed before her mother's death. Ferdinand and Isabella wanted their daughters to be mothers of monarchs, not spares. Ferdinand is more likely to send Katherine to France as a peace offering than wedding her to a man who make her a widow within a decade. Waste of treaty-bait.
 
The comment got deleted but it said there was no Prince of Wales?

In this TL, Edmund Tudor doesn't die in 1500 so he's alive when Arthur dies in 1502. Meanwhile, OTL's Henry VIII dies shortly thereafter. So We have a 3 year old Prince of Wales in Edmund, Duke of Somerset.
 
Katherine wedding H7 was vetoed before her mother's death. Ferdinand and Isabella wanted their daughters to be mothers of monarchs, not spares. Ferdinand is more likely to send Katherine to France as a peace offering than wedding her to a man who make her a widow within a decade. Waste of treaty-bait.
Well the english alliance is still worthy for him specially as he is still either fighting with his hated son-in-law for the control of Castile or trying to having his daughter declared mad for being able to rule at her place and Catherine is already in England and he and Henry VII are fighting about the dowry, well his consent to a wedding between Henry VII and Katherine make sense. And sent her in France to marry who? Anne of Brittany is still alive and Francis of Angouleme is destined to Claude, heiress of Brittany (Anne is not fine with that but Louis, Francis and Francis' mother want this wedding so)
 
Katherine wedding H7 was vetoed before her mother's death. Ferdinand and Isabella wanted their daughters to be mothers of monarchs, not spares. Ferdinand is more likely to send Katherine to France as a peace offering than wedding her to a man who make her a widow within a decade. Waste of treaty-bait.
What about marrying her to Sigismund the Old.
 
sevarics - the comment was deleted because it was a response to the wrong thread. Happens when I'm bouncing between two or three threads while on my migraine meds.....sorry to confuse you.
 
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