WI: Argentina was part of the Axis?

How would WWII had been different if Argentina had been part of the Axis, instead of being neutral, and later part of the Allies?
 

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How would WWII had been different if Argentina had been part of the Axis, instead of being neutral, and later part of the Allies?

Possibly a earlier U.S. entry. Certainly a more active entry by Brazil and Chile.

Bunch of dead Argentinians.
 
Brazil was an Allie during WWII. It even sent a small number of troops to the invasion of Italy. Most of its efforts were in the 'Spy War' that raged across most, if not all, of South America during WWII. If Argentina was a declared member of the Axis, then I could see active warfare between them and Brazil. Perhaps other countries would get involved as well, especially those with grevenses with Argentina and/or Brazil. It would have gotten nasty in South America.
 
Brazil was an Allie during WWII. It even sent a small number of troops to the invasion of Italy. Most of its efforts were in the 'Spy War' that raged across most, if not all, of South America during WWII. If Argentina was a declared member of the Axis, then I could see active warfare between them and Brazil. Perhaps other countries would get involved as well, especially those with grevenses with Argentina and/or Brazil. It would have gotten nasty in South America.

Brazil's role wasn't small. They sent 25 thousand men to italy. They managed to capture 20 thousand men and considering brazils air forces only made up 5 percent of the allies air forces in europe they were responsible for a gigantic amount of the damage the allied air forces did to italy.
 

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What about bombing the Panama Canal?

Again, no. The range is still far too long. Besides, northern Argentina isn't exactly the best place top build airfields, and even if they managed to do so, how would these bases be properly supplied? Also, remember that the Germans had little to no long-range heavy bomber ability. Even sending their medium bombers from France to Northern Ireland was far from easy. Plus, there would have been absolutely no chance of fighter escort, so American air defenses could have shredded any attacking German bombers.
 
I was thinking something along the lines of the Germans transhipping bomber parts to Argentina, assembling them there, and then attacking.
 
Plus, there would have been absolutely no chance of fighter escort, so American air defenses could have shredded any attacking German bombers.

Assuming the Germans could get a squadron of bombers into the vicinity of the Canal Zone, its not too unlikely that they'd catch us with our pants down the first time they attacked. Although with Argentina in the Axis, alert levels would probably be higher.
 
Don't cry for me Agrentina

An unlikely scenario as President Ortiz was anti axis and was in office until 1942,although owing to illness Ramon Ortiz was acting President from August 1940. The Army was hostile to any attempt to get involved in war with the Axis powers. His deputy Ramon Castillo was pro axis but following Pearl Harbour there were massive pro-American demonstrations organised by the trade unions showing that the public were largely not pro-Axis. Ortiz died in 1942 and Castillo replaced him but by that time the United States was in the war. Castillo lasted around a year before the army replaced him when he tried to impose an even more unpopular successor. By that time the Axis powers were obviously losing the war
 
Argentina would be the only nation on this side of the world in the Axis, and both the Atlantic and Pacific were owned by Allied navies almost from the start. The Brazilians as mentioned were part of the allies, and Argentina's armed forces would soon find themselves defending Buenos Aires. The Argentines stayed neutral for exactly that reason - no way of showing any power, just causing more problems for themselves.
 
Doesn't matter what HOI2 says. To acomplish that you would need a series of PODs resulting in an ATL where:
The UK isn't the most important purchaser of Argentinean goods
Argentina trades either only by land with Latin America or, if she trades by sea, it has to be obviously with axis powers (or perhaps the USSR) AND the RN and USN can't rule the waves. Otherwise Argentinean trade would be cut and that of course would be against Argentina's best interest.
Ortiz can't be the president in the early 40s
If Argentina only trades by land, then she needs to make enough money with it so her air force and navy can be powerful enough to challenge the RN naval superiority in the Western South Atlantic (how??). If we go with the other option, in witch case some series of PODs make the USN and RN much less powerful than OTL, then Argentina just needs armed forces powerful enough to deter the other South American countries to wage war on her (and let's face it, it's one thing to go to war in Libya and Italy and another to go to war in your borders).
 
Assuming the Germans could get a squadron of bombers into the vicinity of the Canal Zone, its not too unlikely that they'd catch us with our pants down the first time they attacked. Although with Argentina in the Axis, alert levels would probably be higher.

Yet I don't think planes of those days could achieve that. Even if you took the shorter route, taking offin Northern Argentina (which means violating the Bolivian, the Brazilian and the Colombian airspace), it still too far. Panama is much closer to the US than to Argentina. I don't know the distance, but at first sight, it seems were talking about 4000 km, at least. The other routes (from Buenos Aires, the Atlantic and the Caribean Sea, or through the Pacific from Tierra del Fuego) involve much longer distances.
 
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The direct route is about 2400 miles/3800 kilometres, so it's completely out of the question. Pretty close Admiral!
And there's yet another POD. In the 1930s and 1940s Argentina was an importer of oil so if, by some reason, Argentina joins the axis, everyone will see how well 20th century armed forces perform - without oil.

Trade with the UK can be stopped in the 1930s. As a consecuence of the 1929 crisis the UK gave preference in meat purchases to the dominions, therefore cutting Argentinean exports. That situation was solved by the pact Roca-Runciman. If that agreement doesn't take place, Argentina would have to look for another place to sell her products.
 
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