WI: Another ten years for Philippe IV of France?

I think Philippe IV living longer will have huge effects on the whole succession’s debacle...
First his sons will be likely divorced by their unfaithful wives earlier and so remarried earlier and is possible who also the wedding between Philip (V) and Joan will be dissolved here and he remarried to another princess... Butterflies can easily altering the deaths of Louis and his son by Clementia (who likely will be called Philip and not John here)

If Philippe's boys are separated and remarried earlier, would these boys still marry the same brides as OTL? Or might the boys get different brides because reasons?
 
If Philippe's boys are separated and remarried earlier, would these boys still marry the same brides as OTL? Or might the boys get different brides because reasons?
I do not know... The wedding of Louis to Clementia is the most likely to still happen unless Philip has different ideas about alliances than his son
 
I wouldn't be so sure about the marriages staying the same. I always got the feeling that Clementina was chosen because she was the niece-by-marriage of Charles de Valois, Louis X's uncle and closest advisor. On the other hand, Clementina was a Princess of Hungary and Naples and I don't see any other available Princess close in age that could work except for maybe one of Albert I of Germany's younger daughters (Catherine and Judith of Austria). I also imagine that Charles de la Marche would still try for Marie of Luxembourg, though whether or not he succeeds depends on John I of Bohemia's opinion on the value of marrying his sister to the King's third son.

As @isabella said though, the real question becomes Philippe de Poitou. He was the only one of the royal brothers to stick by his wife and ultimately got her name cleared. Would Philippe be allowed to do so if Philippe IV was still alive? I can't be sure about that.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about the marriages staying the same. I always got the feeling that Clementina was chosen because she was the niece-by-marriage of Charles de Valois, Louis X's uncle and closest advisor. On the other hand, Clementina was a Princess of Hungary and Naples and I don't see any other available Princess close in age that could work except for maybe one of Albert I of Germany's younger daughters (Catherine and Judith of Austria). I also imagine that Charles de la Marche would still try for Marie of Luxembourg, though whether or not he succeeds depends on John I of Bohemia's opinion on the value of marrying his sister to the King's third son.

As @isabella said though, the real question becomes Philippe de Poitou. He was the only one of the royal brothers to stick by his wife and ultimately got her name cleared. Would Philippe be allowed to do so if Philippe IV was still alive? I can't be sure about that.
Actually, Wladyslaw the Elbowhigh has a son around the same age as Clementia, so we can end with Clementia marrying the Polish' king's son.
 
I also imagine that Charles de la Marche would still try for Marie of Luxembourg, though whether or not he succeeds depends on John I of Bohemia's opinion on the value of marrying his sister to the King's third son.

Would he? I mean, if his marriage to Blanche gets annulled with more rapidity than OTL, say in 1316/1317 rather than 1322, Marie would be eleven or twelve years old? As to Philippe le Long's marriage, his dad might likewise order it set aside. I'm just thinking out loud here, but he might regard all his daughters-in-law as complicit, if not actually guilty.
 
I think the Countess of Burgundy would be spared because she is the heiress to Burgundy and her husband did not believe her so called scandals.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about the marriages staying the same. I always got the feeling that Clementina was chosen because she was the niece-by-marriage of Charles de Valois, Louis X's uncle and closest advisor. On the other hand, Clementina was a Princess of Hungary and Naples and I don't see any other available Princess close in age that could work except for maybe one of Albert I of Germany's younger daughters (Catherine and Judith of Austria). I also imagine that Charles de la Marche would still try for Marie of Luxembourg, though whether or not he succeeds depends on John I of Bohemia's opinion on the value of marrying his sister to the King's third son.

As @isabella said though, the real question becomes Philippe de Poitou. He was the only one of the royal brothers to stick by his wife and ultimately got her name cleared. Would Philippe be allowed to do so if Philippe IV was still alive? I can't be sure about that.
Would he? I mean, if his marriage to Blanche gets annulled with more rapidity than OTL, say in 1316/1317 rather than 1322, Marie would be eleven or twelve years old? As to Philippe le Long's marriage, his dad might likewise order it set aside. I'm just thinking out loud here, but he might regard all his daughters-in-law as complicit, if not actually guilty.

I think the Countess of Burgundy would be spared because she is the heiress to Burgundy and her husband did not believe her so called scandals.

For me seeing Joan spared with Philip IV still on the throne is pretty unlikely as she was confined like her guilty sisters-in-law (and one of them was her own younger sister). Plus at that time Robert of Burgundy aka Joan and Blanche’s younger brother was still alive (he died in 1515 so after Philip IV’s death and Joan also was recognized innocent in 1515) and in any case Philip and Joan had already four daughters so...

If the only likely alternative is Catherine of Austria (who is not daughter or sister of the reigning Emperor) I think who Louis will still most likely marry Clementia of Hungary.

So Louis remarried to Clementia, Philip likely refusing to remarrying after the annulment of his wedding to Joan and Charles likely remarrying domestically (as Marie is too young and likely too important for him)
 
So Louis remarried to Clementia, Philip likely refusing to remarrying after the annulment of his wedding to Joan and Charles likely remarrying domestically (as Marie is too young and likely too important for him)

It's probably a ridiculous suggestion but what of Costanza of Sicily (b.1303/1304)? OTL she was considered for their youngest brother, Robert, who died in 1308. She only married her OTL first husband in 1317. By then she'd be 13/14yo (or 11yo if one takes her birth year as 1306, as some accounts do), so might Philippe le Bel "reopen" negotiations with Sicily about marrying her to one of his sons?
 
It's probably a ridiculous suggestion but what of Costanza of Sicily (b.1303/1304)? OTL she was considered for their youngest brother, Robert, who died in 1308. She only married her OTL first husband in 1317. By then she'd be 13/14yo (or 11yo if one takes her birth year as 1306, as some accounts do), so might Philippe le Bel "reopen" negotiations with Sicily about marrying her to one of his sons?
For Charles? Absolutely possible
 
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