The advantage is that Anne is dead - so in 1500 Louis comes to terms with the Emperor and Philip - a match is proposed and accepted - Claude is betrothed to Charles and Louis marries Margaret of Austria - - there were plenty at the French court who wanted her match with Charles broken because she was her mother's heir to Brittany - I have no doubt over time it would be dropped and Claude married within the wider French royal family to ensure Brittany remains under the control of the French Crown.

Fair enough. I know this has come up before, but is there any reason that we suspect Queen Marguerite would be incapable of producing an heir? I can't recall reading in any English source (sorry I don't speak Spanish) that her stillborn daughter by her first husband was a traumatic birth (circumstances aside), simply that it was unfortunate that the child was stillborn. And the lack of a pregnancy by her second husband might've been simply that there wasn't enough time.

Which begs the question: WILL Margarethe remain childless (ie was she incapable of bearing a child?) or is it simply a sort of accepted fiction that she was barren and with a different husband things could be different?

PS: I recall reading in the TL The Glory of York, where Margarethe gets married to Charles VIII and then Richard, Duke of Gloucester she has five pregnancies. Two stillbirths/miscarriages and a live son by Charles (who dies in infancy like Charles Orland), plus a surviving daughter and a stillborn son by Ricbard.
 
I've not seen any suggestion she was barren confirmed - she conceived fairly well during her marriage to Juan of the Austrias - the child was stillborn and premature which again for the period is not unusual for a first pregnancy - i've never seen a suggestion that stillbirth had damaged her -
her second marriage to Savoy was short-lived only three years so perhaps not enough to judge her capabilities.
 
I've not seen any suggestion she was barren confirmed - she conceived fairly well during her marriage to Juan of the Austrias - the child was stillborn and premature which again for the period is not unusual for a first pregnancy - i've never seen a suggestion that stillbirth had damaged her -
her second marriage to Savoy was short-lived only three years so perhaps not enough to judge her capabilities.

Okay, does say two sons (one of whom dies young) and two to three daughters either with Louis or in toto (in other words with both Juan and Louis) sound plausible? Or is that overestimating her fertility?

And what effects might these four/five enfants de France have on the usual matrimonial/political scene of the day? Might Louis go to war with Austria for parts of Burgundy (would her dowry of the counties of Charolais, Artois and Bourgogne be given again to the French? Or has her matrimonial value decreased by the birth of Eleonore and Charles of Burgundy) instead of parts of Italy? Or would Louis still war over Milan and Naples?
 
So I was thinking something like this:

Louis XII, King of France (1466-) 1m: Anne, duchess of Brittany (d.1499); 2m: 1500 Margarethe of Austria, Countess of Charolais and Artois, Countess Palatine of Burgundy

[1m.] Claude (1499-)
[2m.] Charles (1502-)
[2m.] Louis (1503-1504)
[2m.] Marie (1505-)
[2m.] Marguerite (1506-1506)
[2m.] Renée (1508- )
 
Claude will most likely be betrothed to François d'Angoulême, her place in the Habsburg match perhaps being taken by her younger half-sister. And if the Anglo-French alliance of OTL emerges then Dauphin Charles might get a match with Mary or Katherine Tudor.
 
Claude will most likely be betrothed to François d'Angoulême, her place in the Habsburg match perhaps being taken by her younger half-sister. And if the Anglo-French alliance of OTL emerges then Dauphin Charles might get a match with Mary or Katherine Tudor.
Or Charles gets married to Germaine de Foix or Anne of Navarre, Germaine was Charles's love in the first place.
 
Or Charles gets married to Germaine de Foix or Anne of Navarre, Germaine was Charles's love in the first place.

Didn't say that Karl will marry a French bride, simply that Louis might rather offer Marie instead of Claude to prevent Brittany passing out of the French royal family.

Besides, Germaine is considered by the church to be Karl's grandmother, so a marriage isn't going to happen
 
Didn't say that Karl will marry a French bride, simply that Louis might rather offer Marie instead of Claude to prevent Brittany passing out of the French royal family.

Besides, Germaine is considered by the church to be Karl's grandmother, so a marriage isn't going to happen
Why not just prevent Germaine's marriage with Ferdinand.. a surviving Miguel da Paz would likely marry Germaine instead...
 
What I'm thinking is that the whole battery of marriages that related to French and French-clients in the 1500s and 1510s might be affected by this. For instance, TTL Renée seems unlikely to be married off to a lowly duke of Ferrara (although I'd heard somewhere that originally Alfonso d'Este was betrothed to Marguerite d'Angoulême), if a king's around (even if only the Navarrese king) she might marry him instead. I could see Louis marrying Marguerite d'Angoulême off elsewhere perhaps? Especially if he supports the Bourbon plan to marry Suzanne, Duchesse de Bourbon to Alençon rather the future Connetable. What do you guys think?
 
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