WI and AHC: Turkey in the axis.

POD, must be after World War I and Turkey must join the Axis in the first few years of World War II.

I always wondered what would have happened if Turkey joined the axis particularly post war, would they have been invaded by the USSR and made into a communist state or instead invaded and occupied by another power?
 
Ir rarely happens that people mention it, but from east Turkey Hitler's airplanes could easily bomb Baku in a surprise attack, destroying (at least a good part of) Russia's oil supply. They might even be in a position to take it. I think this could even tip the balance.
 

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What exactly would Turkey win by joining the war. What could the Axis offer the Turks, that the Turks would even remotely be interested in?
 
What exactly would Turkey win by joining the war. What could the Axis offer the Turks, that the Turks would even remotely be interested in?

Remember the POD can be any time after WWI so maybe a harsher peace treaty could motivate them like the Treaty of Sèvres.

I'm not sure though because I'm not sure how you could change things so that a treaty like the Treaty of Treaty of Sèvres could be implemented.
 

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Remember the POD can be any time after WWI so maybe a harsher peace treaty could motivate them like the Treaty of Sèvres.

I'm not sure though because I'm not sure how you could change things so that a treaty like the Treaty of Treaty of Sèvres could be implemented.
Parts of Sevres like Italy and France holding territories in Anatolia could be implemented. The Greeks and the Armenians were way out of their league though. The Greeks could get more of Thrace and possibly Imbros and Tenedos, while Armenia could get the Kars- Adrahan region (which wasn't Ottoman pre-war, but Russian and the the DRA claimed it as their territory), but that would just lead to i becoming either a part of the USSR after Armenia is divided, or ceded to Turkey by the Russians as a sign of good faith.
 

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Stalin attacks Eastern Anatolia in June 1940 in an effort to regain the lands formerly belonging to the Russian Empire that were lost in the Treaty of Kars. When the Germans launch Barbarossa the Turks join them to recover the lost territory.
 

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Stalin attacks Eastern Anatolia in June 1940 in an effort to regain the lands formerly belonging to the Russian Empire that were lost in the Treaty of Kars. When the Germans launch Barbarossa the Turks join them to recover the lost territory.
Why would he do that. These lands went to Turkey in the Treaty of Kars, because the USSR had no interest in keeping them.
 

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Why would he do that. These lands went to Turkey in the Treaty of Kars, because the USSR had no interest in keeping them.
The Soviets signed the Treaty of Kars in 1921 and gave up land as the price for having a stable border in the Caucasus at a time when it was being threatened along all of its borders and was politicly and militarily weak. All of the treaties signed at the time renouncing land claims or acknowledging the independence of former subject states were seen by the Soviet leadership (Particularly Stain) as being of a purely temporary, tactical nature designed to buy the time necessary to secure the Bolshevik government in place.

The 1939 invasion of Finland and June 1940 invasions of the Baltic States, Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina were all to regain land that had belonged to Tsarist Russia that had been lost at the end of the First World War. Sending troops into Artvin, Ardahan, Kars and Igdir would be entirely consistent with this policy and would have the extra benefit of strengthening the Soviet Union’s position in the Trans-Caucasus against any possible attack on that front towards Baku.

It is worth noting that the Soviet Union did try to overturn the Treaty of Kars in late 1945 and massed military forces on Turkey's eastern border threatening to invade. It was only pressure from the British and Americans that prevented this.
 
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