WI: An Even Broader Holocaust

CalBear

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By severe stress I meant PTSD.


They're going to care if everyone under their control rises up in rebellion though. How are they going to feed the soldiers if everywhere but Germany, people are literally fighting for their lives instead of producing food? All this plan is going to do is weaken everyone enough that Stalin is going to end up at the Rhine, and Europe is going to be grateful for it.

Th truth is that everyone DIDN'T rise up in Poland, they died in droves, as they did in Ukraine and anywhere else the Reich went. The Party was evil, not stupid. They would conscript labor battalions in Poland and work them to death in France, they would take Russian POW and work them to death in German factories, they would take political prisoners from the West and work them to death in the East.

Like everywhere else this sort of thing has been done, on a smaller scale, you do it in steps, keeping local/regional hatreds going and use locals to do a good part of the dirty work. The really loyal ones you keep around as labor and as cannon fodder (usually as unarmed guards watching over sheep or food transport, that way when the inevitible partisan attack comes they absorb the main losses)

There were going to be some survivors, kept alive to work on the Greater German plantations in the East. The plan was to keep them illiterate and uneducated as handy slaves. Blue eyed blode toddlers were taken from Poland and the Ukraine and raised as Germans by loyal Party members. The plans for the West (France et al) was to cull out the bad elements (socialists, communists, Jews, others thought to be undesirable) and eventually allow them semi independence under Reich control.

To have it work, the Soviets had to be defeated. Thankfully, that was beyond the Reich's capabilities
 

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If they did that, then who would do all the mundane labor within the Reich? I thought this was why Czechs and Poles were kept around.

Czechs, French, Northern Europeans, Italians, eventually the Anglo Saxons would all be doing the grunt work for the Reich. Poles would be mainly eradicated, with 20-30% kept alive to work as illiterate slaves.
 
I realise you deliberately didn't do it in your TL, CalBear, because you wanted to write a different story, but in circumstances as posited, precisely what is stopping Operation Vegitarian??
 
Sorry, I just don't see this one. If the Nazis are killing Allied POWs, for example, what do they think will happen to any Nazi POWs held by the allies?

The two major reasons Western POWs weren't treated by the Nazis the same way the Nazis treated Soviet POWs were the Geneva Convention, signed by Germany and the West, and the growing numbers of German POWs in Allied hands, especially in Canada and the USA.

I can see your expanding the Holocaust, but not to where all non-Germans must be killed.
 
Th truth is that everyone DIDN'T rise up in Poland, they died in droves, as they did in Ukraine and anywhere else the Reich went. The Party was evil, not stupid. They would conscript labor battalions in Poland and work them to death in France, they would take Russian POW and work them to death in German factories, they would take political prisoners from the West and work them to death in the East.
It's one thing trying to exterminate the people on one front, but when you try to do it on two? Instead of having half the territory restless, and the other half relatively calm, you suddenly have both being even more restless.* How are they going to move labor from France to Poland and vice versa, while also transporting soldiers, food and armaments? There's going to be less material to go around, and the logistical apparatus of the German state is going to be put under huge strain trying to do this. That is, unless it's so small scale that it doesn't really live up to the OP's plans.

*They're not only getting double the trouble, they're also severely handicapping their own resource base. It's not just going to be twice as difficult, it's going to be a monumental task of logistics, while at war no less.

Astrodragon also has a good point. If it looks like Germany is trying to ensure hegemony in Europe simply by eliminating any possible competition forever it seems really unlikely that the British aren't going to just decide to try and simply go straight to the source and eliminate Germany as a nation.
 
Astrodragon also has a good point. If it looks like Germany is trying to ensure hegemony in Europe simply by eliminating any possible competition forever it seems really unlikely that the British aren't going to just decide to try and simply go straight to the source and eliminate Germany as a nation.

Operation Vegetarian would have invited German chemical attacks on Britain.

Actually, if the Germans were this batshit insane, they would have launched chemical attacks as part of the Battle of Britain to kill the subhuman, non-Aryan Englishmen in droves. That would prompt Operation Vegetarian and bring the war to an early close, though millions have already died in this expanded Holocaust.
 

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I realise you deliberately didn't do it in your TL, CalBear, because you wanted to write a different story, but in circumstances as posited, precisely what is stopping Operation Vegitarian??

That the British don't have Heer troops in England. If the British go WMD it won't really help anyone who the Nazi's have marked for extermination (guess who would be doing the decontamination), it will cause massive civilian losses among German citizens, and will likely result in losses in France and the Low Countries as the anthrax spreads.

The Reich will have no reason to hold anything back, no reason to be afraid of some massive counterstroke since it has already happened, so you will see major chemical weapon attacks. Even though the British didn't know about the nerve agents, they did know about Lewisite and Mustard, both of which would be horrific beyond words against civilians, especially mustard, which being heavier than air tends to gather in the bottom of trenches, dugouts and things like subway tunnels. Since mustard and, to a lesser degree, Lewisite, are persistent agents their use could render major cities uninhabitable for weeks.

The whole idea behind Operation Vegetarian was as a threat to keep the Reich from using chemicals against British civilian targets.
 
Ah, so he planned for the something similar, and decided to put it off after the war ended, right?

Still, I asked this partly because I didn't think he saw all Non-Aryans as subhumans. Didn't he admire the British Empire?
He viewed them as Aryans. I guess there was half an iota of sense in that; the Anglos and Saxons did come from Germany. (And let's all keep quiet about the Celts and everyone else...)
 

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Very silly scenario.

If Nazism did that then they face the whole world from the first day of the war. They have no Allies, no collaborators no one trades with them, no oil, no iron ore and even Sweden joins the war against them.

Exactly.
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They were crazy, but not so stupid to do that.;)
 
He viewed them as Aryans. I guess there was half an iota of sense in that; the Anglos and Saxons did come from Germany. (And let's all keep quiet about the Celts and everyone else...)
They viewed the Celts as being below Nordics but still racially sound. He also saw the thousands years of invasions in the form of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Danelaw, Normans, Hanoverians, and the like as making the island fit with only the strongest of Germanics. Hence why they always referred to the British as English. Then again, Hitler always called the United States the American Union, so that may not be telling much.
 
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