WI american had countuie to support Vietnam after 45

anamarvelo

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in 1946 after years of supporiting vietnamies natilist ho chi min the us poled support from veitnam and allowed france to reinvade
this even thappend becaus Ho Chi min was talkin about land reform breaking up the large plantation and dividing it amought the people
us diplomnats mistakes his talks of ending the europeans colonial cast system for want to establish a communist state.
after us support was taken away in order to get weapons food and other supplys to fighte the french Ho Chi Min starts to take supplys from the USSR and China in reture for the promise of making a communist state rather than a Demicratuc one
so what would happen if the US had support Ho Chi Min and allowed him to create a free Democratic state of Veitnam
 
The USA never did support Ho Chih Minh or even display interest in Vietnam for Vietnam's sake until the late 1950s. US involvement against Vietnam from a strategic-military POV actually spun out of the Laotian War and the USA's realization that France losing Vietnam was going to be a military embarrassment for the new NATO alliance. IMHO that this played as much of a role in just how the USA got dragged into that war in the first place has no small degree of credit for why the war ended with the Fall of Saigon, as the USA never made a pretense of understanding Vietnam when it went to fight in Vietnam theoretically for Vietnamese.

Hell, the USA didn't even understand Jiang Jieshi, despite having ample evidence from WWII, especially in the Ichi-Go offensive, that Jiang had no ability to win a war against an enemy which was actually militarily competent and/or powerful. OTOH, US politics this nuanced in terms of an approach to 'Nam arguably butterfly away the Korean War.
 
The problem is that the USA had a choice between Vietnam and France. There would be no middle ground, seeing that telling France to get out of Vietnam would have made NATO's formation problematic, and the USA needed every major European power on board for it to work. The alternative was OTL.

and can the OP please claridy their statements?
 

anamarvelo

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The USA never did support Ho Chih Minh or even display interest in Vietnam for Vietnam's sake until the late 1950s. US involvement against Vietnam from a strategic-military POV actually spun out of the Laotian War and the USA's realization that France losing Vietnam was going to be a military embarrassment for the new NATO alliance. IMHO that this played as much of a role in just how the USA got dragged into that war in the first place has no small degree of credit for why the war ended with the Fall of Saigon, as the USA never made a pretense of understanding Vietnam when it went to fight in Vietnam theoretically for Vietnamese.

Hell, the USA didn't even understand Jiang Jieshi, despite having ample evidence from WWII, especially in the Ichi-Go offensive, that Jiang had no ability to win a war against an enemy which was actually militarily competent and/or powerful. OTOH, US politics this nuanced in terms of an approach to 'Nam arguably butterfly away the Korean War.
we supported ho chi min during world war 2
when he wanted land reform we thought he was a comie and we supproted france
 

anamarvelo

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The problem is that the USA had a choice between Vietnam and France. There would be no middle ground, seeing that telling France to get out of Vietnam would have made NATO's formation problematic, and the USA needed every major European power on board for it to work. The alternative was OTL.

and can the OP please claridy their statements?
we acutaly forced britan and france to give up all there colonies they did not give up on their own
plus france already didn't like us and usaly did the opsise of what the us and its alliase did
 
we acutaly forced britan and france to give up all there colonies they did not give up on their own
plus france already didn't like us and usaly did the opsise of what the us and its alliase did

Source, since IIRC, Ghana, Kenya, Algeria and Jamaica didn't gain independence until during the Cold War.

and France had been a member of NATO from its inception until 1965.
 
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