WI: America considering joining the Axis

What would happen if America steals some German tanks' blueprints and tries to transport them back to the US via so called trade, but the ship the US uses to transport the blueprints gets sunk by the British? would America join the Axis, or condemn the British? this is assuming the Germans don't know about the blueprints being stolen. If America does go to war, will the British bring in Mexico?
 

Straha

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You'd need to remove FDR to get a US willing to even THINK about siding with the axis. Maybe Huey Long could work?
 
I'm sure that FDR would be pissed off even though he hates Hitler. The US was using there own ship, so there will curtainly be a Anti-British backlash.
 

Straha

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Berlin89 said:
I'm sure that FDR would be pissed off even though he hates Hitler. The US was using there own ship, so there will curtainly be a Anti-British backlash.
Joining the axis is ASB if you're still using FDR.
 
Having the USA join the Axis is ASB with or without FDR. Britain would have to put the Irish in death camps, bomb New York, or something like that for US popular opinion be swayed enough to ally with Hitler and Mussolini against England. A scenario like yours might work in WW1, where the moral choice between the Allies and Central Powers was less clear...but not regarding Nazi Germany.

Remember, the Israelis deliberately attacked a US spy ship in 1967 and Iraq almost sunk a US destroyer during the Iran-Iraq War, both with heavy loss of US life, and in both instances the US looked the other way because of its broader strategic interests.
 

Straha

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replace FDR with someone like huey long however... Taking over lands from a distracted britain would be right up his alley.
 
Straha said:
replace FDR with someone like huey long however... Taking over lands from a distracted britain would be right up his alley.
Uh, not really. Long hated the Nazis, there's no way he'd backstab their greatest enemy...
 

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Berlin89 said:
What would happen if America steals some German tanks' blueprints and tries to transport them back to the US via so called trade, but the ship the US uses to transport the blueprints gets sunk by the British? would America join the Axis, or condemn the British? this is assuming the Germans don't know about the blueprints being stolen. If America does go to war, will the British bring in Mexico?

What flag is the ship flying? If it's American flagged & an intentional sinking, we have already hit ASB territory.

BTW: If the U.S. stole German tank designs, who do you think they would show them to immediately upon arrival?

The U.S. would NEVER have joined the Axis unless:

The British attack the U.S. Fleet at Pearl Harbor without warning.

The combined Britsh/Canadian Army invaded New York. Michigan? Maine? Washington?

Britian & France invaded the Philippines.

After the British attacked Pearl Harbor, the French declared war on the United States for no discernable reason.

Also, how would Britian "bring in" Mexico?
 

MrP

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Berlin89 said:
What would happen if America steals some German tanks' blueprints and tries to transport them back to the US via so called trade, but the ship the US uses to transport the blueprints gets sunk by the British? would America join the Axis, or condemn the British? this is assuming the Germans don't know about the blueprints being stolen. If America does go to war, will the British bring in Mexico?

a) A diplomatic row.
b) No and probably no. (incidentally, why would the British sink an American vessel? If RN units saw it leaving a German port it'd be deemd a German unit flying a false flag, and unless the USA wanted to provoke an incident, they'd agree that it must've been.)
c)No.

Sorry to be so blunt, but these are pretty spurious grounds for creating an America on the side of the Nazis TL . . . Sorry to be harsh.
 
The US had a pretty good idea of how untrustworthy Hitler was before 1938. All those Jewish Americans certainly were following events in Germany and Austria. I can't quite see the Germans willingly aligning themselve with any power that would allow Jews such influential positions in politics of society.
 

Xen

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David S Poepoe said:
The US had a pretty good idea of how untrustworthy Hitler was before 1938. All those Jewish Americans certainly were following events in Germany and Austria. I can't quite see the Germans willingly aligning themselve with any power that would allow Jews such influential positions in politics of society.

Not to mention African-Americans. After America's black athletes emberraced Hitler's Superior Aryan athletes in the 1936 Berlin Games he began to regard the United States as a mongrel nation.
 
David S Poepoe said:
The US had a pretty good idea of how untrustworthy Hitler was before 1938. All those Jewish Americans certainly were following events in Germany and Austria. I can't quite see the Germans willingly aligning themselve with any power that would allow Jews such influential positions in politics of society.

Hitler's unpublished sequel to MEIN KAMPF shows that he was not at all interested in an alliance with America. America was absorbing, through immigration, the best members of the Aryan Race, leaving the dregs behind at home in Germany and other "Aryan" nations. If he allied with America, eventually America would become so powerful that Germany would be reduced to second-class status. America was a threat to Germany's future domination of the world, and had to be destroyed.
 
JEDCJT said:
And what's going to happen to the United States when the Axis powers lose the war, hmm?
The axis would not lose if the U.S. was fully committed to the war on their side...
 
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