WI: Alt "Turner Diaries" for different ideologies.

The Turner Diaries is pretty much a book which introduce basic tools for terrorism, which is thinly disguised as a fiction book to keep it legal and to keep people who don’t agree with the authors world views from reading the book.
I honestly thought it was the author's stupid ass fantasy that fits in line with his ideology; after all it is about freedom of speech and frankly I rather have chumps like him make loser fiction like that than actually practice acts like that in the book.
Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generation Warfare by William Lind seems to fit.

It's...interesting. There's a whole SpaceBattles on it, its disgusting politics, and its Mary Sue characters, but all you need to know is that the good guys in the first scene of the book burn an innocent woman alive for being an Anglican priest, on the grounds that only men can be priests.

These sterling heroes beloved by the author proceed to sympathize with Nazis, treat black people in awful ways, LARP as the Kaiserreich, and go against comical strawmen of William Lind's political enemies, those being Evil Techno Women Who Nonetheless Are Completely Incompetent Due To Being Women, Crazy Green Hippie Stalinists, Multicultural Liberals Who Make Gangs Into Armies in the Name of "Tolerance", and so on.

The brutality that Lind's beloved heroes enact against literally every other minority group, and the book's judgment of all of them as being disgusting and worthy of death or (in one notable case) sexual slavery, honestly makes you wonder about Lind's ethics.

I see it as a Turner Diaries for what Lind calls "retroculture".
Well he sure as hell didn't care for political correctness when writing it, I'll give him that; almost like South Park except this is meant to be taken seriously.
 
They would all be just as bad.
And just as batshit nuts and nigh unreadable. After the Oklahoma Bombings, I wanted to know what was this forbidden grimoire of Neo-Nazis. I found it, which during the Bronze Age of the Internets was no mean feat, and remember setting aside time to try to read it. I was prepared to be disgusted and shocked, but I was not prepared to be bored by some of the worst prose committed to English this side of George Lucas dialogue. "Turner Diaries" makes "The Camp of Saints" look like "War and Peace." The one thing it does do effectively is that it speaks to certain fantasies, beyond the realm of racist and genocidal ones, relating to hero's journey and etc.

In terms of making it work for other ideologies: it's quite simple, but would make you retch as you wrote it, and someone might not realize you're writing satire and take it at face value, so you should not do it. I mean, Norman Spinrad's "the Iron Dream" was so on the nose, everyone should have gotten it, but as the kids say these days, quite a few people Ate the Onion on it.
 

chankljp

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I think there was a timeline that included an in-universe text which was pretty much a communist Turner Diaries.

I think the TL that you were referring to was @Napoleon IV's "Twilight of the Red Tsar" (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/twilight-of-the-red-tsar.371831/), with there being a communist/Stalinist version of Turner Diaries named "The Diary of Our Victory" existing in-universe after Stalin lived longer and carried out the 'Doctors' plot', resulting in a second holocaust against the Jews of Eastern and Central Europe.

For those interested, here is a extract from the TL about the book:

It takes place in the mid 1990s, a dystopia where it is entirely legal for rich people and Jews to rape and murder poor people at will, with the proletariat reduced to near literal serfdom. Children are forced to watch ‘atrocities as absurd as Old Wives Tales’ being shown in school of Soviet treatment of the Jews. One scene includes a Jewish woman claiming to be a Holocaust survivor being caught out in a lie by one of the students, before said student is beaten by the teacher for his ‘insubordination’. Objectivism and religion are both described as Jewish plots to control society, as is the media, Hollywood and even the sex industry. The narrator of the story, a man by the name of Carl Lennon, joins a committed organisation of Communists called ‘The Internationale’ who plan to overthrow the government and establish Communism across the world. They launch a number of terrorist attacks against the government, and after torture at the hands of Mossad, they escape and eventually take over much of California, seizing the nuclear arsenal there. From establishing a Communist society in the most populous U.S. state, they go to work. Jews, Objectivists, clergymen, businessmen, Republican and Democrat politicians, entertainers and anyone sympathetic to them are hanged from lampposts. The resulting turmoil travels over to Europe, where Communist insurrection begins to take over these countries as well, complete with Jews being killed in the streets. But the worst is yet to come: the protagonist uses the nuclear weapons to wreak international chaos. London, Zurich, Luxembourg, Monaco, Frankfurt, Singapore, Hong Kong and all other major financial centers are destroyed to ‘collapse the whole damned system’. As if making the proceedings more horrifying still, the protagonists proceed to drop five missiles on ‘Jew York’, wiping it from the map, as well as millions of lives (interestingly, Thompson himself was a New Yorker). Then, they use the missiles to obliterate the ‘traitorous’ former Eastern bloc countries such as Poland and Lithuania, before finally using the missiles to ‘obliterate every piece of land in the Colonial nations’ those being Israel, South Africa and Rhodesia. After the respective nations destructions, ‘their true inhabitants came in to righteously finish the job’. Though the protagonist ultimately sacrifices himself, his organisation triumphs, leading to Communist takeover of America, and ultimately the world. The rich and upper-middle classes, including their children, are executed, while the Jews are hunted to extinction – churches, mosques and synagogues are destroyed worldwide. Though much of the world is obliterated in the nuclear onslaught, the epilogue, written in the future of 2017 writes, “One hundred years after the beginning of our liberation, we have finally achieved what we have sought – a Communist world, where only Communists are left and the Devilspawn are dead”.
 
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This game gets fun if you imagine dystopias concocted by groups generally considered benign and non-paranoic...

Quebec Angryphones

The 1995 referendum goes the other way, Parizeau declares unilateral independence, and then is quickly overthrown and executed by a radical faction of the PQ, preaching a strange hybrid of marxism and Abbe Groulx style clerical nationalism, the latter included more for reasons of cultural cohesion than theological belief.

The new regime outlaws the use of English everywhere, requires all French Quebeckers to be baptized Catholic(which the church is happy to go along with, even though abortion remains legal) nationalizes anglo-owned businesses, and confiscates Westmount mansions while forcing the English into work camps in the countryside. The French populace is sujbect to "five-minutes hates" in which Pierre Trudeau(the mongrelized race traitor) is portrayed as an Emmanul Goldstein figure, via footage of him signing the constitution with the Queen, which people too young to know any better are told is actually him and the Queen signing a pact to enslave the French.

Angryphone resistance springs into action. The Maple Leaf Militia stages direct action against government buildings, etc. The rest if bog-standard resitance fiction.
 
The paranoid Christian anti-rock music idea of dystopia is basically outlined in this Jack Chick comic from the 1970s.

TL/DR: The Illuminati(actually a cabal of Satanic druids), in addition to controlling all politics and government, finds time to run the music industry and demonize kids' minds by putting spells on rock albums. Christians can resist by holding mass record burnings, but the Illumanists will try to kill them.

Interestingly, it doesn't mention alleged backwards masking as one of the tools used to impart satanic messages through music. Maybe those rumours were spread later on by the Illuminati, to make the anti-rock Christians look stupid? (Is how the theory might go.)
 
In the story Twilight of the Red Tsar, Stalin commits outright pogroms against Soviet Jews.

As a result, a new ideology emerges in-universes called Neo-Communism emerges, which is basically Neo-Nazism wrapped in a Red flag.

One of the acolytes of neo-Communism writes a book called "The Diary of Our Victory", which is basically like the Turner Diaries, except the communists use nuclear weapons mainly on dens of capitalism.
 
Hmm....I can think of some Social Justice-crazed counterpart where a diverse group (of whatever identity they claim to be) goes out and exterminate white cishet males (and females) and any other group with "internalized discrimination" across the Western World; yeah I know I might invite a flame war with this one but it's something that I have been thinking of ever since identity politics has gotten wild throughout this decade.

Segregation resold as safe spaces!
 
This game gets fun if you imagine dystopias concocted by groups generally considered benign and non-paranoic...

Quebec Angryphones

The 1995 referendum goes the other way, Parizeau declares unilateral independence, and then is quickly overthrown and executed by a radical faction of the PQ, preaching a strange hybrid of marxism and Abbe Groulx style clerical nationalism, the latter included more for reasons of cultural cohesion than theological belief.

The new regime outlaws the use of English everywhere, requires all French Quebeckers to be baptized Catholic(which the church is happy to go along with, even though abortion remains legal) nationalizes anglo-owned businesses, and confiscates Westmount mansions while forcing the English into work camps in the countryside. The French populace is sujbect to "five-minutes hates" in which Pierre Trudeau(the mongrelized race traitor) is portrayed as an Emmanul Goldstein figure, via footage of him signing the constitution with the Queen, which people too young to know any better are told is actually him and the Queen signing a pact to enslave the French.

Angryphone resistance springs into action. The Maple Leaf Militia stages direct action against government buildings, etc. The rest if bog-standard resitance fiction.

LMAO that'd be hilarious
 
Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generation Warfare by William Lind seems to fit.

It's...interesting. There's a whole SpaceBattles on it, its disgusting politics, and its Mary Sue characters, but all you need to know is that the good guys in the first scene of the book burn an innocent woman alive for being an Anglican priest, on the grounds that only men can be priests.

These sterling heroes beloved by the author proceed to sympathize with Nazis, treat black people in awful ways, LARP as the Kaiserreich, and go against comical strawmen of William Lind's political enemies, those being Evil Techno Women Who Nonetheless Are Completely Incompetent Due To Being Women, Crazy Green Hippie Stalinists, Multicultural Liberals Who Make Gangs Into Armies in the Name of "Tolerance", and so on.

The brutality that Lind's beloved heroes enact against literally every other minority group, and the book's judgment of all of them as being disgusting and worthy of death or (in one notable case) sexual slavery, honestly makes you wonder about Lind's ethics.

I see it as a Turner Diaries for what Lind calls "retroculture".
The woman wasn't burnt for being a priestess, but for being a worshiper of Isis despite being supposedly an Anglican priest. But yes, she was being a holdout in a "retoculture" world where a woman's place is in the home.

What you really need to know is how the American government sucks at everything and is as dumb as a boot, and that killing liberal college professors is good because they promote cultural Marxism and need to be purged. Among other idiotic things in the book, from ideology to setting to worldbuilding.

The Spacebattles bunch do a thorough job ripping it a new one, so I'll leave it at that.

Are we going with solely American literature/ideas, or can we do any radical ideology?

The Islamic version becomes about the struggles of a man who sees the corruption and lies of society, is enlightened at a mosque by a radical preacher, joins a terrorist bunch, and starts doing terrorist actions against both 'traitor' Arabs (whether Sunni or 'Heretics'), before moving on to the vile Western imperialist overlords, all of whom seem to have lost quite a few IQ points. A miracle from Allah enables a great victory, and the world is set for an Islamic takeover.

The ultra-radical Christian version would be a darker version of "Left Behind", with the hero more proactive in fighting 'evil' wherever it exists.

The eco-terrorist version is basically mankind getting too corrupt and greedy, so a guy joins a hippie commune where everything is organic and 'pure', and free love is everywhere. The heroes create a virus that is supposedly 'fair' in culling the majority of humanity (but somehow doesn't kill the heroes' commune), resulting in people abandoning civilization and returning to the farming ways of their ancestors, growing food from the dirt. A jump to several centuries later reveal humanity is now under a few hundred million, coexisting with nature.

EDIT: Whoops, typo (wrote billion instead of million :D )
 
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That's not actually what safe spaces are, though?

For the record the fact that that's become a boogeyman seems a bit bewildering to me.

Its basically the normal upper class worry of what the common folk are getting up to in their own space - doesn't matter whether it is Roman aristocrats and the plebs, slave owners and slaves, monolingual English speakers and Welsh students at Aberystwyth University - the idea that a less advantaged group are *gasp* are talking on their own seems to be universally unsettling to a dominant group.

On topic, I don't what everyone else thinks but quite a few of the texts that came out of the Russian revolutionary underground in the 19th century have a Turner Diaryish feel to them, maybe make them a bit more explicit and you have a Bolshevik version of the Turner Diaries.
 
Didn't the unibomber write basically the technophobic hippie equivalent?

As for others...

Have Louis Farrakhan go even further off the deep end, or give the Nuwabieans more appeal, and write the black nationalist/nation of Islam equivalent. White people are mutants under the thrall of the Jews, while Black Africans have secretly been behind all of society's advancements and civilizations greatest achievements, and violent revolution and race war, against the white man and his Jewish masters, is the only way to set things right again.

Boom, you've got the Black answer to the Turner Dairies, same raving anti-Semitic and conspiracy theories, now with black people killing all the white people instead and "We WUZ KINGS" instead of "Fourth Reich", and killing "Uncle Toms" instead of "race traitors".
I think you misspelled 'kangz'.
Have you ever read about how George Lincoln Rockwell visited Nation of Islam rallies and met with Malcom X. Apparently they got along well as they both thought separation was best for their people. However, Malcom X wanted to carve a black ethnostate out of the American South, whereas the Rockwell said he'd rather them go back to Africa and build up their ethnostate there (a la Liberia)
 
I think you misspelled 'kangz'.
Have you ever read about how George Lincoln Rockwell visited Nation of Islam rallies and met with Malcom X. Apparently they got along well as they both thought separation was best for their people. However, Malcom X wanted to carve a black ethnostate out of the American South, whereas the Rockwell said he'd rather them go back to Africa and build up their ethnostate there (a la Liberia)

Actually, Elijah Muhammad was cool with Rockwell - Malcolm never was. In fact, he discussed the alliance as one of the events that first shook his faith in the NOI leading up to his split from them.

"This mutual nod to "honesty" and "truth" gives us a peek at the possible foundation of the alliance. Rockwell and Muhammad saw each other as authentic, as people willing to speak the truth—their versions of it—no matter the cost. Their marketing to their constituencies depended on this image, and each man drew legitimacy from the appearance of being a straight shooter. Rockwell's existence was useful to the NOI as a recruiting tool, his physical presence a testament to Muhammad's own authenticity.

Malcolm X wasn't part of this legitimacy trap, and he made it known that Rockwell's high esteem wasn't reciprocated. When the Nazi was applauded in 1961 for donating $20, Malcolm X laughed into the microphone and said, 'You got the biggest hand you ever got, didn't you, Mr. Rockwell?'"


Malcolm even sent this telegram to Rockwell after leaving the NOI in '64 (also quoted in the article above):

"This is to warn you that I am no longer held in check from fighting white supremacists by Elijah Muhammad's separatist Black Muslim movement, and that if your present racist agitation against our people there in Alabama causes physical harm to Reverend King or any other black Americans who are only attempting to enjoy their rights as free human beings, that you and your Ku Klux Klan friends will be met with maximum physical retaliation..."
 
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Kaze

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Arsen. Arsena was created by the Russian writer Ivane Perestiani and appeared in Arsena Djordjiashvili (1921). Arsen is a passionate and brave hero of the Revolution; he dies fighting anti-Revolutionists in the East.

Beloiartsev, Stepan. Stepan Beloiartsev was created by M. Raskatov and appeared in "The Broken Chains: A Novel of the Revolution," a serial which appeared in a Petrograd newspaper in 1916 and 1917. Beloiartsev is a master worker at a steel mill, "well made and strong as an oak," who has a few grey hairs but is otherwise youthful-looking and spry. He, his soldier son Pavel, and their very strong worker friends Savelii, Grigorii, and Philipp, fight alongside heroic workers, soldiers, and Cossacks against the vile oppressor army officers, policemen, and spies, finally freeing all their imprisoned revolutionary friends and ensuring the triumph of the February Revolution.

Sophia Perovskaya. There was a real Sophia Perovskaya, a Russian revolutionary anarchist who was part of the group which assassinated Tsar Alexander II. There was also a fictionalized Sophia Perovskaya, who appeared in Xin xiaoshuo huipan (New Fiction, 1902). The story, which was written by Luo Pu and was based on a previous Japanese work, Kinsei museifushugi by Kemuyama Sentaro. The fictional Sophia Perovskaya was (of course & naturally) a heroic, courageous, and unselfish heroine, a fighter against despotism (which Tsarist Russia certainly suffered under), the "girl on the threshold," the ideal of the self-sacrificing spirit which Chinese intellectuals of the early 20th century found exciting and wonderful.

The Angel of the Revolution by George Griffith.

The Vampire Countess by Paul Feval. A vampire countess -- one passing as one in order to trick men, marry them, and kill them for their money -- is part of a plan to kill Napoleon Bonaparte as he goes to the opera. The plan fails - but it is based on real events where there was an assassination attempt and Paul Feval wanted something nasty to happen to Napoleon the Third.
 
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