WI: All Three Sons of Emperor Dom Pedro I of Brazil survive and have issue

Interesting question. The Regency would be much shorter, which can be good but could also have the potential to be bad. Part of Pedro II’s appeal was that he could be a Brazilian monarch raised by Brazilians to rule Brazil. It’s considerably easier to do so with a five year old rather than an eleven year old.

Another question is who gets to be King of Portugal. In OTL Pedro II was a newborn when Dom João VI died, so the throne was passed on to his sister Maria II, who then married her uncle. If either Miguel or João Carlos become King of Portugal, Portuguese history might indeed be different.

Also the Santa Cruz estate is never sidelined by the Brazilian imperial family, so it probably replaces Petrópolis as the summer residence later down the line.
 
Interesting question. The Regency would be much shorter, which can be good but could also have the potential to be bad. Part of Pedro II’s appeal was that he could be a Brazilian monarch raised by Brazilians to rule Brazil. It’s considerably easier to do so with a five year old rather than an eleven year old.

Another question is who gets to be King of Portugal. In OTL Pedro II was a newborn when Dom João VI died, so the throne was passed on to his sister Maria II, who then married her uncle. If either Miguel or João Carlos become King of Portugal, Portuguese history might indeed be different.

Also the Santa Cruz estate is never sidelined by the Brazilian imperial family, so it probably replaces Petrópolis as the summer residence later down the line.

I’m still not sure why Pedro didn’t abdicate Portugal in favor of his brother. Let’s say he lets Miguel be King but there is still an arranged marriage between Miguel and Maria
 
I’m still not sure why Pedro didn’t abdicate Portugal in favor of his brother. Let’s say he lets Miguel be King but there is still an arranged marriage between Miguel and Maria

Um that WAS the plan. Miguel was to be Regent for and eventual co-ruler with Maria II. He ignored Pedro's constitution and Maria herself, making himself absolute Monarch. Pedro fought a war for his daughters rights. So NO Miguel wouldn't be King here. Either Miguel de Beira or João Carlos becomes King of Portugal, being born before Brazilian independence and still in line for the throne in Lisbon.
 
Um that WAS the plan. Miguel was to be Regent for and eventual co-ruler with Maria II. He ignored Pedro's constitution and Maria herself, making himself absolute Monarch. Pedro fought a war for his daughters rights. So NO Miguel wouldn't be King here. Either Miguel de Beira or João Carlos becomes King of Portugal, being born before Brazilian independence and still in line for the throne in Lisbon.

Miguel for Brazil and João Carlos for Portugal then I'd presume? Unless we just start a pattern of Brazilian Emperors moving on to be Kings of Portugal and leaving Brazil to their son and so on and so forth.
 
Miguel for Brazil and João Carlos for Portugal then I'd presume? Unless we just start a pattern of Brazilian Emperors moving on to be Kings of Portugal and leaving Brazil to their son and so on and so forth.

No, more like Pedro's eldest son gets Portugal with his eldest sister/elder brother as the heir(ess) presumptive, while OTL (being born AFTER the Declaration of Independence) gets Brasil with Januaria as his heiress presumptive.

Portugal refused to be governed from Rio and Brasil wouldn't agree to be governed from Lisboa, so a split WILL happen. Just here it will be less "problematic". D. Miguel would have a harder time sidelining his nephew than he did with his niece.

But I'd suspect there might be a considerable intermarriage between the two branches (OTL Pedro II's lack of a son prevented this (Brasil DIDN'T want a Portuguese infante/future king wed to the heiress presumptive IIRC) but it might have better legs here).
 
Howcome the Treaty that ended the Brazilian War of Independence from Portugual didn’t result in Pedro having to forgo his rights to the Portuguese throne for him and his descendants?
 
Howcome the Treaty that ended the Brazilian War of Independence from Portugual didn’t result in Pedro having to forgo his rights to the Portuguese throne for him and his descendants?
Well, the reason given for Maria not to lose the rights of succession is that she was born before the independence, and therefore a Portuguese princess. Francisca, Pedro II and Maria Amelia never had rights. The only child of Pedro I who officially had the rights and then lost was Januaria, who was born in March 1822, but that only happened much later.

In the scenario of the POD, I believe that Pedro I would make his firstborn Miguel become king of Portugal in 1826, as he was born before the independence.
 
Howcome the Treaty that ended the Brazilian War of Independence from Portugual didn’t result in Pedro having to forgo his rights to the Portuguese throne for him and his descendants?
Because Pedro I was much more concerned with his dynastic interests than Brazil itself, so when he negotiated the recognition of Brazilian independence he made sure to keep his succession rights too, even if that meant naming his father titular Emperor of Brazil and promising to end the slave trade in 1830, two moves which royally pissed off the Brazilian elites.
 
Well, the reason given for Maria not to lose the rights of succession is that she was born before the independence, and therefore a Portuguese princess. Francisca, Pedro II and Maria Amelia never had rights. The only child of Pedro I who officially had the rights and then lost was Januaria, who was born in March 1822, but that only happened much later.

In the scenario of the POD, I believe that Pedro I would make his firstborn Miguel become king of Portugal in 1826, as he was born before the independence.

Because Pedro I was much more concerned with his dynastic interests than Brazil itself, so when he negotiated the recognition of Brazilian independence he made sure to keep his succession rights too, even if that meant naming his father titular Emperor of Brazil and promising to end the slave trade in 1830, two moves which royally pissed off the Brazilian elites.

So what if only Miguel, Prince of Beira, survived while João Carlos and Pedro died?
 
Howcome the Treaty that ended the Brazilian War of Independence from Portugual didn’t result in Pedro having to forgo his rights to the Portuguese throne for him and his descendants?

Because his father João VI hoped that Portugal and Brazil would be reunited under Pedro. Meaning that the loss of the Jewel in Portugal's Colonial crown would be a temporary one.

So what if only Miguel, Prince of Beira, survived while João Carlos and Pedro died?

Harder to say and depends on when they die. If Pedro lives say a year or so, then Miguel is already King of Portugal after Pedro I abdicates the Portuguese Crown. That means that Brazil would have Maria as Empress. If Miguel's brothers both die in infancy, then things get dicy. Miguel is the next in line after his father, so does Pedro I abdicate the Portuguase throne to Miguel and hope for another son? Or does he abdicate on behalf of himself and his son, leaving Maria as Maria II, opening up the possibility that the Portuguese refuse to accept and demand either the Prince of Beira be sent over or bypass everything and enthrone the Emperor's absolutist brother Miguel instead? One things sure, it becomes a complete mess for the Braganzas, Portugal and Brazil.
 
Because his father João VI hoped that Portugal and Brazil would be reunited under Pedro. Meaning that the loss of the Jewel in Portugal's Colonial crown would be a temporary one.



Harder to say and depends on when they die. If Pedro lives say a year or so, then Miguel is already King of Portugal after Pedro I abdicates the Portuguese Crown. That means that Brazil would have Maria as Empress. If Miguel's brothers both die in infancy, then things get dicy. Miguel is the next in line after his father, so does Pedro I abdicate the Portuguase throne to Miguel and hope for another son? Or does he abdicate on behalf of himself and his son, leaving Maria as Maria II, opening up the possibility that the Portuguese refuse to accept and demand either the Prince of Beira be sent over or bypass everything and enthrone the Emperor's absolutist brother Miguel instead? One things sure, it becomes a complete mess for the Braganzas, Portugal and Brazil.
Likely after Pedro I’s abdication the line of succession in Portugal will be Miguel, Jõao Carlos and Maria (any of them who is still alive at that point) followed by their uncle while Pedro I, the younger Pedro, future (half-)brothers, Januaria and future (half-)sisters will be the line of succession in Brazil (adjust that to the various children living or dying)
 
Likely after Pedro I’s abdication the line of succession in Portugal will be Miguel, Jõao Carlos and Maria (any of them who is still alive at that point) followed by their uncle while Pedro I, the younger Pedro, future (half-)brothers, Januaria and future (half-)sisters will be the line of succession in Brazil (adjust that to the various children living or dying)

But what about a scenario where the only son is Miguel
 
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