WI: All of Anne Boleyn's pregnacies came to term

1535 part 2
In return for their cooperation, Lady Mary and her mother are given their own estate in Hudson. For the next few years, the ladies would spend their days away from court, fading in the background as England moved on without them. However, they would soon find they were still in the thick of it.

As he awaits his dukedom (any day now), Thomas Boleyn is happy to be presented with his grandson---although he is a bit annoyed when George announces the name: Mark Boleyn.

Just when everyone is certain that Anne cannot fall, she and the King get into a dreadful argument. Anne was not pleased about Cromwell's dealings with the monasteries, believing that he is using the reformation for momentary gain. Henry, who is quite happy with the amount of money from the church lands that are now in his coffers, scolds her for speaking so rudely to his advisors, telling it is not her place to comment on the conduct of his councilors. The argument only worsens when Anne protests quite loudly to Cromwell's suggestion of the newborn Princess Joanna as a potential bride for Prince Ambrose, beliving a French princess or a Danish Princess, or a Swedish Princess or a German Princess---basically anyone, but a Hapsburg Princess---would have been a better choice.

The argument ends with Anne deciding to make an impromptu visit at Hatfield alone to see her children. When she returns, her relations with the king are still strained. Learning she is pregnant for the fourth time does nothing to repair the couple's relationship. This becomes reddily appearent when King Henry decides that Anne needs a new lady and oh look at that, John Seymour has a blonde haired daughter who would fit the bill just perfectly.
 
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Since Anne is in no danger of being replaced (losing favor != replaced) after she has a living son, how would she react to Jane's (or one of her sisters, for a change) arrival? Henry himself would probably treat Jane (or her sister) as a mistress rather than a replacement wife, because despite his current dislike of Anne, she did do what she promised. He will not bastardize his trueborn son and heir for any woman (if Katherine of Aragon's sons had survived, Anne would not be anything other than a mistress for Henry), no matter what he thinks of his mother. If the Seymours are smart, they will reap the royal favors and try not to get greedy. If not...
 
Anne is untouchable insofar as her position goes, but it only makes sense that she and Henry would fight occasionally. They're both too strong-willed not to. Joanna is an excellent match for Prince Ambrose, although I'm surprised Charles wants to wed his daughter to a boy born while his father is excommunicate (unless this hasn't happened ITTL?) Purely for that fact, I'm with Anne and think a Princess of Denmark is a more logical match, but I'll go with the imperial match if that's what you want. Looking forward to more - I love Anne-friendly stories!
 
Why not Mary, Queen of Scots? It's just 8 years of difference and Elizabeth is bethroded to Charles of France who is 11 years older than her. Besides, England might have a PU over Scotland soon if anything remotely resembling OTL happens. Though what I'm most curious about will be how Ambrose approaches the Irish once he is old enough to participate in politics.
 
Why not Mary, Queen of Scots? It's just 8 years of difference and Elizabeth is bethroded to Charles of France who is 11 years older than her. Besides, England might have a PU over Scotland soon if anything remotely resembling OTL happens. Though what I'm most curious about will be how Ambrose approaches the Irish once he is old enough to participate in politics.
Yes, Mary of Scotland, if she is still born and heiress of her father (and butterflies can very well change both things) would be the natural choice as bride for Ambrose (like she was the obvious choice as bride for Edward VI for Henry VIII, only Scotland do not liked that prospective at all).
Right now an engagement to Joanna (or better to one of her Austrian cousins as Ferdinand has a lot of daughters) is pretty likely and plausible
 
Yes, Mary of Scotland, if she is still born and heiress of her father (and butterflies can very well change both things) would be the natural choice as bride for Ambrose (like she was the obvious choice as bride for Edward VI for Henry VIII, only Scotland do not liked that prospective at all).
Right now an engagement to Joanna (or better to one of her Austrian cousins as Ferdinand has a lot of daughters) is pretty likely and plausible
But haven't Henry and the court become pro-Protestanism at this point? Won't Henry be afraid an Austrian match would make his son to lean towards Catholicism? France is one thing since they aren't hardliners Catholic iirc, but Austria is a different beast altogether. Add in the fact that Henry is still, well, excommunicated.
 
But haven't Henry and the court become pro-Protestanism at this point? Won't Henry be afraid an Austrian match would make his son to lean towards Catholicism? France is one thing since they aren't hardliners Catholic iirc, but Austria is a different beast altogether. Add in the fact that Henry is still, well, excommunicated.
Well for that reason also Austria would be better than Spain as I was arguing who that match would be more likely than one with Joanna of Spain but both Henry VIII and Charles V were pretty interested in matching their children
 
But haven't Henry and the court become pro-Protestanism at this point? Won't Henry be afraid an Austrian match would make his son to lean towards Catholicism? France is one thing since they aren't hardliners Catholic iirc, but Austria is a different beast altogether. Add in the fact that Henry is still, well, excommunicated.
Ferdinand I and his son Maximilian were relatively tolerant - must remember that Ferdinand’s daughter Maria married the Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg, a man who was hardly the epitome a devout Catholic and gave his children with Maria a Lutheran education. Also, IIRC Henry VIII was never particularly strongly Protestant. His religious views have usually been encapsulated as ‘Catholicism without the Pope’. His kids with Anne may be another story, but at this point Henry is not at all against alliance with Catholic powers or marrying any of his kids to a Catholic.
 
Ferdinand I and his son Maximilian were relatively tolerant - must remember that Ferdinand’s daughter Maria married the Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg, a man who was hardly the epitome a devout Catholic and gave his children with Maria a Lutheran education. Also, IIRC Henry VIII was never particularly strongly Protestant. His religious views have usually been encapsulated as ‘Catholicism without the Pope’. His kids with Anne may be another story, but at this point Henry is not at all against alliance with Catholic powers or marrying any of his kids to a Catholic.
Exactly.
 
Interlude-because I haven't done one for this TL: a scence from Showtime's Tudors.
Anne Boleyn(as she places a protective hand on her belly, looking out the window at her husband strolling the gardens with Jane ): I can practically hear Katherine and Mary cackling like witches. I have no doubt they are relishing this, believing it is my just deserts.

George Boleyn: They can cackle all they like. After all, to win the King, all you had to do was contend with the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Emperor. Mistress Seymour's obstacle is much more difficult to get over: a healthy Prince of Wales. (When his sister doesn't say anything, he sighs). Come away from the window, Anne. Getting upset will do you no good. Once you have birthed a Duke of York, that silly chit will be forgotten.

Anne Boleyn(as she joins George at the card table): And what if I give birth to another girl.

George Boleyn: The King will be dissapointed, I have no doubt about that, but you still have a strong son in the nursery. Ambrose will be two-years-old soon and everyone says he looks more like his father every passing day. (He then smirks). Of course if it is a boy, Father will be expecting a dukedom.

Anne Boleyn(rolling her eyes): Has he not gotten tired of waiting yet.

George Boleyn: No, he is certian he shall get it soon. Staring at the King with eyes of a puppy-dog, eager for treats.

Anne Boleyn (chuckling): Perhaps if it is a boy, I shall name him George.

George Boleyn(eyes lighting up): Better yet name him William after Mary's husband. I'd love to see Father's face if you do that.

Anne Boleyn(chuckles turning into full blown giggles): Oh poor Papa, we are vexing him so.

George Boleyn: Is it our fault that there are a thousand Thomases and we wish to be a little more original.

The scene fades away as Anne and George begin to play cards.
 

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Well since Anne Boleyn has children she therefore doesn't get the ax from King Henry (no pun intended), The Other Boleyn GIrl (if it even gets made) will be completely different.
 
I'm certain that Henry would have insisted on his son being named after himself or Edward.
It would have to be Edward, since I can’t see Anne wanting her son to share a name with Catherine of Aragon’s son. And while I do think Ambrose is unlikely, earlier English kings also made some...unique naming choices. Notably Henry III and Edward III, in naming their sons Edward/Edmund and Lionel.
 
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cool another Tudor's timeline consider it watched I've enjoyed them ever since I found Now Blooms the Tudor Rose by @Space Oddity. That was one of my favorite TLs when I joined the board. I can't wait to see what you do with this TL good work so far. Is there any Regal history in England were Ambrose is concerned. As an American I picture General Ambrose Burnside lol
 
It would have to be Edward, since I can’t see Anne wanting her son to share a name with Catherine of Aragon’s son. And while I do think Ambrose is unlikely, earlier English kings also made some...unique naming choices. Notably Henry III and Edward III, in naming their sons Edward/Edmund and Lionel.
The boy would be most likely Henry after his father, unless Anne do not wish to call him with the same name of his half brother (Fitzroy/Richmond not the long dead son of Catherine)
 
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