WI Ali Pasha leads a successful rebellion against the Sultan in 1819?

Indeed but there was a small time gap between these rebellions... Ali rebels first and upon getting rid off him Danube under Ypsilantis revolts and upon Ypsilanti's failure Peloponese revolts...
It would be interesting if all 3 rebellions break out the same time...
Ali Pasha was aware of "Filiki Etairia" (a secret association preparing the ground for the revolution) since 1815-1816... However its not clear if they tried to recruit him or if he had any contacts with them...
An interesting twist would be if Ali Pasha was recruited to the Filiki Etairia and all 3 rebellions break out on the same time...

Don_Georgio,That would never have happened because the 'Filiki Etaireia' had offered the leadership of the Greek revolution to General Alexander Ypsilantis prince of Moldavia and Adjutant to the Czar of all Russias,and that revolution started when Ypsilantis crossed the river Prut on 20th February 1820.There was no planning then for the revolution in the south since Ypsilantis raised the flag for all Christian populations in the Balcans,
but I can see your point if the warlords of Peloponnese had started the revolution about the same time since the actual diversion they were expecting was the march of Hursid's army north to fight Ali Pasha Tepelenli,leaving behind him little standing army plus the armies guarding the cities of Peloponnese especially those of great strategic value like Nafplion,Monemvasia,Methone,Corone,Pylos,Tripoli,Patra,Corinthos.Patra.I can't see open alliance of the Greek National Revolutionary Congress of Troezene with Ali at that time whom they considered worse than the Turks.Tacitly of course the Greeks considered that the Greeks fighting with Ali against the Turks were indirectly helping the Greek cause.
 
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Amusingly they ended up with a Catholic Bavarian!

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well, it's obviously not the same! Note also that there was a lot of friction during Otto's reign exactly because he was not a Greek Orthodox. Shouldn't be the Bavarian troops and the warships and the loan threats of the Great Powers, Otto would be overthrown a lot earlier....
 
well, it's obviously not the same! Note also that there was a lot of friction during Otto's reign exactly because he was not a Greek Orthodox. Shouldn't be the Bavarian troops and the warships and the loan threats of the Great Powers, Otto would be overthrown a lot earlier....

Not quite... People merely tolerated him because he had promised that his heir would be baptised Orthodox... However when it became clear that no heir would be born and that Queen Amalia was scheming to have her brother appointed heir (and for various other reasons) people kicked him out...
 
Not quite... People merely tolerated him because he had promised that his heir would be baptised Orthodox... However when it became clear that no heir would be born and that Queen Amalia was scheming to have her brother appointed heir (and for various other reasons) people kicked him out...

remember the Papulakos case... That's what I meant about him kicked out a lot earlier...
 
Actually, I believe that Ali had a very good relationship with the Greeks. He indeed was harsh, but only as a ruler who wanted taxes and obedience - it had nothing to do with ethnicity nor religion.

It seems that the bad image of him in Greece was created because of the Suliotes myth, according which they were fighting for Greek Independence all along. I' m afraid that the story was more like this:

the Suliotes were more like a mob of the mountains. They had set under their soverignity a number of villages of both Greeks and Albanians, from which they collected taxes for "protection" - needless to say that if a village did not pay, it faced the Suliotes' guns, or the "confiscation" of their herds. Thus the Suliotes were not a paople of professions- they did not work themselves, concidering all occupations beside war as not appropriate for real men. Ali fought against them because they actually were stealing the taxes he should collect as a legitimate public officer. Since the Suliotes played a significant role in the War of Independence, the public propaganda made up the myth of the "Freedom Fighters", and thus the thirsty for Greek blood Ali.

I can tell you of-hand Andreas that the Souliotes fought for the Greek independence in several places of Greece including Messolongi and elsewhere so they are not exactly a myth....
 
I can tell you of-hand Andreas that the Souliotes fought for the Greek independence in several places of Greece including Messolongi and elsewhere so they are not exactly a myth....

Sorry, it's been a while this thread is sleeping, but I ought answer, just to avoid misunderstanding:

I said that the Suliotes fighting for Greek Independence is a myth, refering to their struggles before the Revolution. Then they were fighting for the reasons I decribed. After the outbreak of the Revolution, no one can ignore, or misinterprete their great deeds and sacrifices for the national cause...:)
 
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